Post by RedDog on Mar 13, 2009 20:09:13 GMT -5
Wow. This changed my outlook on approaches. This a good read. GoalDigger gave a great guide here.
How to go Direct, Indirectly… Alright fuck it, let’s call this “Going Indirectly Direct”
By GoalDigger
Those few and proud who have experimented with many different methods of pick up artistry, although they might not necessarily agree, will know what I mean when I say this:
Going direct is a million times “better” than going indirect. What I mean by that is that going direct is faster, more reliable if she’s given you IOIs, more natural, and just fuckin easier in general. You don’t need lines or routines because the girl’s buying temperature is pumped simply by the ballsyness of your approach.
We can break the “indirectly direct” approach into a few key points that are differentiated from other types of cold approach. This is during the day, and I’ve had a phone consult with Soul on how to do day game approaches so my education on the matter is pretty solid.
1) Your opener is more of a joke than it is an opener. It can be the lamest, most incredibly unfunny thing you’ve ever said in your life, but if you have a smile on when you say it, you are good. The opener just has to show two things: that you think the girl is hot, and that you understand that she thinks you’re hitting on her, which you are NOT.
2) Jokingly apologize on your opener. All this means is just very unapologetically saying things like “haha I know this is random…” or “sorry… I don’t usually do this”, etc.
3) Move the topic of conversation away from sexual (physical) interest immediately. As in within the first five seconds following your opener. This diffuses the awkwardness created by the fact that you have just told her you’re sexually attracted to her, but are now not talking about it.
4) If she continues to be unresponsive, not receptive, etc. then you must take it upon yourself to walk away from the conversation. The battle is lost, but the war will be won if you analyze the approach and see what worked and what didn’t. When you’re first starting to do this, there is a lot of benefit to be had by creating some small routines and lines to use. I’ll try to include a small template that shows you how you can put together your own routines to get started. Beware of using the same line twice in smaller schools, you should just constantly be creating new ones after a week or so, that way you get sharper and faster when coming up with witty in-conversation responses as well.
The following examples are on-campus interactions. My college, Arizona State University, is a massive school (65,000 total students) which is consistently ranked as the “number one hottest campus in America” by Playboy magazine and others. This school is also always placed among the top ten party schools in the nation, and in fact many licentious and alcoholic game-junkies probably chose to attend the university for the aforementioned reasons (I know one…. haha…. ha...) With the school being that large and that social, one can rest assured that very hot girls (9s and 10s) get hit on VERY OFTEN. In order to cope with this constant stream of pussy guys, they have developed very strong and rare bitch shields. Instead of “breakin’ the fuckin front door down”, I will just go in the through the back --- AKA simply not acknowledge any bitchiness and act like she’s being nice, instead of openly dealing with it.
Example #1:
This is a girl I am opening outside of the student union. We had both just finished eating alone in a Chick-Fil-A or some shit, and the place was very quite. I throw my tray away at the same time she does, on purpose ha ha, so I can catch her outside. Notice how both of these openers are situational and completely unscripted – that’s where you get away with murder baby.
GD: “haha we should’ve sat next to each other in there. I think we could’ve turned that place into a party.”
Girl: (disgusted “don’t hit on me” face) “what?”
GD: “that place was dead as hell, I was like depressed haha”
Girl: (lightening up slightly) “oh haha… yea I know it’s usually not like that”
There are two important things to note in that little exchange: 1) the absolute subtlety of my “direct” opener, and 2) the fact that I changed the subject of my opener by making it based on the situation, and not me and her.
The only direct thing about my approach is the fact that I said “we should’ve sat next to each other”. If you say ANYTHING about “we” or “us”, a hot girl will interpret that as someone who is trying to hit on her. After I say that, I will never mention any interest in her again.
As soon as this girl made her comment about how “its usually not like this” I am pretty much in. If she gives you anything that even resembles a normal or trivial comment, then you can pretty much assume her bitch shield has been put on hold for the next couple of minutes. However, she is extremely hot and will want to keep challenging you. So I GIVE her shit she can challenge me on, because then I'm still on home court:
GD: “So uhh… I’m guessing you don’t have any friends either? It’s so good to finally meet another person who hates people.”
Girl: (dismissive) “haha… I don’t hate people I think that’s weird….”
GD: (breaking my RAS for a second, then big smile) “haha no I’m just kidding,
I’m doing a lot better this semester I have two friends now…. One of them is imaginary but I’m doing my best”
Girl: “hahaha!”
Once she laughs, her bitch shield is completely gone and I am in comfort (with some jokes here and there to spice that shit up). The REASON she dropped it so quickly is also a little more complicated than it looks on the surface. It’s twofold:
1) I broke my RAS. I do not give a shit about her reaction, especially if it’s not positive. She understands that her reaction to my comment was bitchy, and she also understands that I broke my RAS because of the bitchiness in that reaction.
2) I smiled at her negative reaction, and went on to crack another joke. What is extremely attractive about this is the fact that I have no need or even want for a positive reaction from her. Her reaction means nothing to me because I am just joking around. What this amounts to (for her) is me basically telling her that I’m not trying to make her smile, I’m just joking around, and if she’s not going to joke with me then I’ll just leave.
Example #2:
This is a girl who was unlocking her bike next to me. She is a ten and a sister in one of the sexier sororities on campus, which I could tell by her big ass emblazoned bag. I made sure she saw me glance at her ass before I make this comment. I am obviously joking throughout the entire interaction, up until the point where I get off of my bike to keep talking to her. There are very few points in the interaction where I am not smiling or chuckling to myself.
GD: “That’s a nice seat you got there” (haha get it? ... i thought it was SO funny)
Girl: ( “did you just hit on me” face) “What?”
GD: “Your bike seat is tight.. Listen, I know we just met so I’m not trying to be overly harsh but… I just feel like my bike is so much cooler than yours.”
Girl: (loosening up) “haha….. it does have the skinny tires and everything, but no, mines cooler because of this” (points to this ridiculous sticker on the side of her bike, it was a fuckin Parakeet or something with sunglasses on.)”
GD: “hahahah… that’s cute…. And my favorite colors blue so alright fine your bikes not a complete joke (the bike is pink)
Girl: “hahaha!”
GD: “so what are you doin’ on campus? You’re a professor right? You must be a crabby biatch in class I can tell by your sticker”
By this time I have deliberately gotten on my bike and my body is facing away from her and I am talking over the shoulder. Throughout the conversation I am flaking my RAS, so she is becoming aware of the fact that the guy who was just staring at her astonishingly nice ass is now about to desert a pretty promising conversation with her.
Girl: “haha hey wait… what’s your name?”
GD: (gets off bike) “I’m Jay, your Rapunzel right?” (she’s blonde)
This approach is over in two minutes and I am now in comfort, where I will remain for a few minutes before going to class. I have demonstrated, in a few tiny actions, that I have absolutely no need for this girl whatsoever. Not only do I not need or want (lie) sex from her, I don’t even need or really want to be in a conversation with her, yet I am still nice to her and I still stare at her ass. The dynamic is: “I like you because your funny, I don’t give a shit if you’re hot” I was about to leave because her initial reaction was not positive, and so I have the moral high ground. She believes this only because I truly believe it and my subcommunications and RAS show that. I honestly thought to myself “if this girl doesn’t feel the need to redeem herself for her initial reaction, then I will just go to class, this is ASU I can find another ten in five minutes”.
In every fucking interaction, you need to have that kind of abundance mentality.
Hopefully those examples helped some guys who may take it upon themselves to indirectly go direct haha. And you should, especially in college! Because then your cock will finally have some company besides that highly overused love-triangle that includes yourself, your hand and your roommates bottle of Dove moisturizing lotion. These girls want to fuck, but they are not going to slut themselves around… they are probably waiting for someone to just come up and say “hey I know this is random but I think you’re fuckin hot and I’m tired of three way dates…. Haha oh nothing never mind, what are you doin on campus today?”
If you guys have any questions on specifics or for different situations, just post them on this thread and I’ll see if I can think of anything. Have fun with this my homies.
How to go Direct, Indirectly… Alright fuck it, let’s call this “Going Indirectly Direct”
By GoalDigger
Those few and proud who have experimented with many different methods of pick up artistry, although they might not necessarily agree, will know what I mean when I say this:
Going direct is a million times “better” than going indirect. What I mean by that is that going direct is faster, more reliable if she’s given you IOIs, more natural, and just fuckin easier in general. You don’t need lines or routines because the girl’s buying temperature is pumped simply by the ballsyness of your approach.
We can break the “indirectly direct” approach into a few key points that are differentiated from other types of cold approach. This is during the day, and I’ve had a phone consult with Soul on how to do day game approaches so my education on the matter is pretty solid.
1) Your opener is more of a joke than it is an opener. It can be the lamest, most incredibly unfunny thing you’ve ever said in your life, but if you have a smile on when you say it, you are good. The opener just has to show two things: that you think the girl is hot, and that you understand that she thinks you’re hitting on her, which you are NOT.
2) Jokingly apologize on your opener. All this means is just very unapologetically saying things like “haha I know this is random…” or “sorry… I don’t usually do this”, etc.
3) Move the topic of conversation away from sexual (physical) interest immediately. As in within the first five seconds following your opener. This diffuses the awkwardness created by the fact that you have just told her you’re sexually attracted to her, but are now not talking about it.
4) If she continues to be unresponsive, not receptive, etc. then you must take it upon yourself to walk away from the conversation. The battle is lost, but the war will be won if you analyze the approach and see what worked and what didn’t. When you’re first starting to do this, there is a lot of benefit to be had by creating some small routines and lines to use. I’ll try to include a small template that shows you how you can put together your own routines to get started. Beware of using the same line twice in smaller schools, you should just constantly be creating new ones after a week or so, that way you get sharper and faster when coming up with witty in-conversation responses as well.
The following examples are on-campus interactions. My college, Arizona State University, is a massive school (65,000 total students) which is consistently ranked as the “number one hottest campus in America” by Playboy magazine and others. This school is also always placed among the top ten party schools in the nation, and in fact many licentious and alcoholic game-junkies probably chose to attend the university for the aforementioned reasons (I know one…. haha…. ha...) With the school being that large and that social, one can rest assured that very hot girls (9s and 10s) get hit on VERY OFTEN. In order to cope with this constant stream of pussy guys, they have developed very strong and rare bitch shields. Instead of “breakin’ the fuckin front door down”, I will just go in the through the back --- AKA simply not acknowledge any bitchiness and act like she’s being nice, instead of openly dealing with it.
Example #1:
This is a girl I am opening outside of the student union. We had both just finished eating alone in a Chick-Fil-A or some shit, and the place was very quite. I throw my tray away at the same time she does, on purpose ha ha, so I can catch her outside. Notice how both of these openers are situational and completely unscripted – that’s where you get away with murder baby.
GD: “haha we should’ve sat next to each other in there. I think we could’ve turned that place into a party.”
Girl: (disgusted “don’t hit on me” face) “what?”
GD: “that place was dead as hell, I was like depressed haha”
Girl: (lightening up slightly) “oh haha… yea I know it’s usually not like that”
There are two important things to note in that little exchange: 1) the absolute subtlety of my “direct” opener, and 2) the fact that I changed the subject of my opener by making it based on the situation, and not me and her.
The only direct thing about my approach is the fact that I said “we should’ve sat next to each other”. If you say ANYTHING about “we” or “us”, a hot girl will interpret that as someone who is trying to hit on her. After I say that, I will never mention any interest in her again.
As soon as this girl made her comment about how “its usually not like this” I am pretty much in. If she gives you anything that even resembles a normal or trivial comment, then you can pretty much assume her bitch shield has been put on hold for the next couple of minutes. However, she is extremely hot and will want to keep challenging you. So I GIVE her shit she can challenge me on, because then I'm still on home court:
GD: “So uhh… I’m guessing you don’t have any friends either? It’s so good to finally meet another person who hates people.”
Girl: (dismissive) “haha… I don’t hate people I think that’s weird….”
GD: (breaking my RAS for a second, then big smile) “haha no I’m just kidding,
I’m doing a lot better this semester I have two friends now…. One of them is imaginary but I’m doing my best”
Girl: “hahaha!”
Once she laughs, her bitch shield is completely gone and I am in comfort (with some jokes here and there to spice that shit up). The REASON she dropped it so quickly is also a little more complicated than it looks on the surface. It’s twofold:
1) I broke my RAS. I do not give a shit about her reaction, especially if it’s not positive. She understands that her reaction to my comment was bitchy, and she also understands that I broke my RAS because of the bitchiness in that reaction.
2) I smiled at her negative reaction, and went on to crack another joke. What is extremely attractive about this is the fact that I have no need or even want for a positive reaction from her. Her reaction means nothing to me because I am just joking around. What this amounts to (for her) is me basically telling her that I’m not trying to make her smile, I’m just joking around, and if she’s not going to joke with me then I’ll just leave.
Example #2:
This is a girl who was unlocking her bike next to me. She is a ten and a sister in one of the sexier sororities on campus, which I could tell by her big ass emblazoned bag. I made sure she saw me glance at her ass before I make this comment. I am obviously joking throughout the entire interaction, up until the point where I get off of my bike to keep talking to her. There are very few points in the interaction where I am not smiling or chuckling to myself.
GD: “That’s a nice seat you got there” (haha get it? ... i thought it was SO funny)
Girl: ( “did you just hit on me” face) “What?”
GD: “Your bike seat is tight.. Listen, I know we just met so I’m not trying to be overly harsh but… I just feel like my bike is so much cooler than yours.”
Girl: (loosening up) “haha….. it does have the skinny tires and everything, but no, mines cooler because of this” (points to this ridiculous sticker on the side of her bike, it was a fuckin Parakeet or something with sunglasses on.)”
GD: “hahahah… that’s cute…. And my favorite colors blue so alright fine your bikes not a complete joke (the bike is pink)
Girl: “hahaha!”
GD: “so what are you doin’ on campus? You’re a professor right? You must be a crabby biatch in class I can tell by your sticker”
By this time I have deliberately gotten on my bike and my body is facing away from her and I am talking over the shoulder. Throughout the conversation I am flaking my RAS, so she is becoming aware of the fact that the guy who was just staring at her astonishingly nice ass is now about to desert a pretty promising conversation with her.
Girl: “haha hey wait… what’s your name?”
GD: (gets off bike) “I’m Jay, your Rapunzel right?” (she’s blonde)
This approach is over in two minutes and I am now in comfort, where I will remain for a few minutes before going to class. I have demonstrated, in a few tiny actions, that I have absolutely no need for this girl whatsoever. Not only do I not need or want (lie) sex from her, I don’t even need or really want to be in a conversation with her, yet I am still nice to her and I still stare at her ass. The dynamic is: “I like you because your funny, I don’t give a shit if you’re hot” I was about to leave because her initial reaction was not positive, and so I have the moral high ground. She believes this only because I truly believe it and my subcommunications and RAS show that. I honestly thought to myself “if this girl doesn’t feel the need to redeem herself for her initial reaction, then I will just go to class, this is ASU I can find another ten in five minutes”.
In every fucking interaction, you need to have that kind of abundance mentality.
Hopefully those examples helped some guys who may take it upon themselves to indirectly go direct haha. And you should, especially in college! Because then your cock will finally have some company besides that highly overused love-triangle that includes yourself, your hand and your roommates bottle of Dove moisturizing lotion. These girls want to fuck, but they are not going to slut themselves around… they are probably waiting for someone to just come up and say “hey I know this is random but I think you’re fuckin hot and I’m tired of three way dates…. Haha oh nothing never mind, what are you doin on campus today?”
If you guys have any questions on specifics or for different situations, just post them on this thread and I’ll see if I can think of anything. Have fun with this my homies.
