Getting MAJOR IOI's (worth the read, trust me)

[limejuice]

For the memo, I'm a senior in highschool.

I'll cut to the chase- there's a junior in my last hour stats class who seems to always be looking at me no matter what I'm doing... at first I figured she liked me, but, like many guys do, I talked myself into thinking that I was imagining she liked me and that my thoughts were exaggerated and just weren't reality (at least without some game which could lead to future attraction of course)... its been about 4 weeks since this class started, so for about 4 weeks I've realized she was always just waiting for me to acknowledge her...

This really hit me one day when we had the USA/Canada hockey game on in class and I took a seat on top of a desk behind my buddy (which just happens to be in the row next to her), and when I sat down she stared at me for what seemed like 10 seconds, as if she was waiting for me to look at her so she could commence a conversation with me... of course I acted as if she wasn't there and just keep watching the game.

Well, as luck would have it, this past Friday after school I was waiting at a red light when a sebring convertible pulls up next to me... I hadn't even turned my head far enough to see the windshield before I hear the horn beep and realized the driver was waving at me smiling - it was her. hahaha....

I waved back kind of half smiling/half "why are you creeping on me" and then her and her friend started cracking up and buried their heads in the dash... I waited a little while and then rolled the window down figuring she would roll hers down so we could exchange greetings, but their faces never popped back up and the window never came down. This kinda spooked me, but hopefully some of you can encourage me to believe that it was because she was embarassed about how to react to a cute bamf senior who's super confident in a situation like that. (no arrogance intended)

So finally the light turns green and I drive off at a relaxed pace to show that the awkward situation didn't bother me... now once I was far enough down the street I let out a big "WOOO" in excitement that my assumption was true... it appeared that she really had a thing for me and even knew what kind of car I drove judging by how quickly she honked, which I found kind of creepy considering I don't recall ever parking near a sexy silver convertible, however my car is easy to recognize (mustang gt convertible).

So prom is coming up on April 23 and I realize that I really need to move on this starting Monday since I gotta rent a tux asap, but I'm not sure how I should go about opening her in class on Monday... I mean its obvious that we both knew who each other were at the red light and so not talking to her on Monday would be soo awkward haha...

Would asking her to hang out on the same day I first said a word to her be AFC? We're playing a casino style thing on monday where we have to go around the room and play casino games that other groups created, so its all the less awkward that we talk to each other when everyone else is playing casino games, there some noise, etc.

I'm quite rusty after putting my game on hold while trying to make some money, so I need to get back into the mindset of cocky and funny, etc..

And for the record there are only 4 seniors in our stats class and I'm the most "significant" (no arrogance intended), so anything that could work with that would be great I'd think.

And one more thing - if you couldn't already tell, one of the reasons she likes me (don't know for sure but come on its pretty obvious) is because what junior wouldn't want to go to prom with a tall senior who's dated the homecoming queen and broke out a sick ass glow stringing routine at the winter formal dance that everyone was in awe of? (not sure if she knows I dated the homecoming queen, but what I've learned is never underestimate the creeping power of younger classes on the senior class - I know this because I used to creep on seniors on facebook, who hasn't... you want to be like them when you're a junior and younger)


What are your suggestions about opening and carrying on a conversation? I was going to say something like "you did a terrible job hitting on me" or something like that, but I don't know how to word it or where to go with it after I say it. What can you guys think of that's better? Or is that good enough?

Sorry for the long post, but by giving you the most details about the situation I think you can better understand what advice to give me.

Thanks in advance everyone!

P.S - I'm mainly confused about how to not come off as needy or "easy" so she doesn't think she can use me and dump me, or think I'm not what she was looking for, for that matter... I'd like to date her since I've always wanted to date a hot chick with a convertible, but I got burned in my last relationship (homecoming queen) and don't want to make the same AFC mistakes again as I'm sure you can understand. I find it difficult to find the fine line between chivarly and being cocky/confident in an attractive way.

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Well, she's obviously waay into you.

Here's my advice to you: Don't say you kill kittens.
That's probably the only way you could fuck this up. She's stalking you for god's sake. You have this one in the bag.

Your opener is perfectly fine. In fact, I'm sure you could open with "I like pie" and she'd still be into you.
EDIT: If you really want to know what I would say to open (which really doesn't matter what I would do, but I suppose you'd want a suggestion just in case), is something along the lines of, "There was this cute girl that was stalking me while I was driving the other day, it's a shame she was such a terrible driver " (Of course don't use this word for word)
What that does is has you going direct (callng her cute), this is because she's basically already displayed interest in you (ie she wants your nuts) and its a push pull so it keeps the mysterious/funny nature of you going.

You want to know how to not come off as needy? Don't make her the center of your universe. Treat her like you would treat any other girl or your bratty little sister.

Also, don't worry if it doesn't work out. From the tone of your post, if you don't get this girl, you'll be upset. That shouldn't happen. It's just one girl. If you don't get her, it's not the end of the world.

One last thing: The way I handle not knowing whether or not that chick eye-fucking me over in the corner is into me or not is this... assume attraction. Assume that the girl wants you, because more often then not, it'll be true and it will help with you not psyching yourself out.

BTW, Welcome to the Forum! ;D

[xartist545]

Dude, she obviously wants you. U can mess up a few times and it won't matter.

If you aren't too comfortable keeping a conversation going, open her a few minutes before class ends, and when the bell rings, say "Hey! You seem fun. Whats your number? I might text you later if I get the time"

Say it teasingly like you don't have time for her, because YOU ARE BETTER. Make sure she knows that.

Then you text her playfully and keep text flirting/building attraction/building comfort all through text. Give her naughty looks when you pass her by at school, but don't feel the need to talk to her too much. She'll prolly open you anyways.

www.bristollair.com/outer-game/techniques/specifics/number-closing/ultimate-guide-to-text-game.html

Here's a good link for text game. Make sure to end all your conversations (text and regular) at the CLIMAX or high note. Leave her wanting more. Your inner game should be, be the BADASS SENIOR she thinks you are.

Thats a good basic game plan dude.
Other shit to do:
-Give her a playful nickname
-Get her to admit her sexual nature
-Convince her that she is obsessed with you
-Be the SHIT

Good Luck

[RMO]

GO FOR IT! RIGHT THE FUCK NOW!

a few years ago, i had a nagging suspicion that this realy hot girl liked me, like 3rd hottest in the school. But i did the same thing as you, I ignored her. I ignored her, thinking, man dont even bother, shes way out of your league.

So I got to talking to her over myspace after she moved. After a few weeks we were talking and I told her that when I had known her I was really into her. less then 5 minutes after I sent the message she replied, and she said she had a huge fucking crush on me, complimenting me on how funny, smart, and amazing that only my ego thinks I am. I shat bricks, this was 6 months before I even knew what PUA was and I was pissed off at myself, don't pussy out.

[limejuice]

Thanks for the warm welcome aaron! haha, judging by the replies I got from you guys, I can tell I'll be around here for a while... nice to see that people actually read the thread.

Aaron seeing you're in Milwaukee, if you're ever in the Twin Cities give me a call - we can hit up the clubs (16+ or 18+ depending on how old you are or what IDs you've got access to haha). Also, anyone else in the Minneapolis metro give me a shout! I've got a bunch of friends who love hitting up the club, come join us!

No worries. I won't be "broke" if it doesn't work out, I just like accomplishing something I told myself I was going to do.

Artist- thanks for the link. I def need to look into that, texting is a big piece of HS game for sure.

Tommy - thanks for the motivation. I've been there where I've moved just as I was about to start dating a 9. It sucks man!

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UPDATE #2

Well yesterday I got a chance to talk to her- we had a dealio in class where we had to go around the room and play everyone's casino game (its a stats and prob class), so I went over to her game and said something to the effect of "what was up with you on friday? why didnt you roll down your window? if you were trying to hit on me you could've at least tried" she laughed, and then I switched the subject quickly into "so how do I play this game, blah blah" to show that her hitting on me didn't phase me in the least, its happens a lot, etc etc.

I then asked her "how did you know it was me at the light so fast? before i even turned my head all the way you were already honking and waving" to which she replied "my friend thought she knew you" to which i said "who's your friend?" to which she didn't reply, then saying "then she realized you weren't who she thought you were" which kinda threw me the fuck off because at this point i thought it was awfully obvious she had a thing for me and that the "her friend" excuse definitely wasn't the reason she honked.

I feel that the "how did you know it was me at the light so fast" question was an AFC question, but fuck it you only live once. I just feel like I could've gone another direction way better, but my mind was in a whirl. Inner game anyone?

Well finally I played her group's stupid game (lost my money) and went to the next game.... kinda like a dud firecracker, nothing really seemed to go off, kinda disappointing. I kinda felt like i messed it up, but shit it threw me off when she said that the reason she beeped was because her friend thought she knew me.... i was totally planning on going off of that as a convo starter and that shit fell through, which slightly broke my confidence, but not entirely... either way it was enough to screw up my game plan, or at least that's what I was thinking at the time.

I couldn't tell if she was for real or just made that up because she was embarassed, because, well, my car is obvious as fuck and no one has a car that looks anything like mine at our school. When I told my friends this story they were like "her saying her friend thought your car was her friend's car was like her friend saying "oh we thought it was another guy who owns a crotch rocket even though only one person has a crotch rocket at our high school" I don't own a crotch rocket (def want one), but that's the analogy my good friend steve came up with to show how unlikely it was. Basically we all think its a bullshit excuse, but dammit, who knows. Maybe her friend is ditsy. Not really buying it, but I digress...

As many of you can relate, many times you don't have enough time to run through the logic in your head in the moment, which causes you to later beat yourself up about it because it seems so obvious once you've had time to break down what went wrong/what went right during the approach/whether she was lying/being serious/joking, etc.

So today even though i had a chance to strike up a convo with her, i PUSSED out on it because I was a pussy. plain and simple. Now that i've admitted I was a pussy, the reason why I pussed out was because I didn't know wtf to say to start or keep a conversation going... I thought using the friday car incident was AFC and old news, that I should move onto another topic, etc... but I didn't know what to move on to. :facepalm:

Tomorrow (actually today because its past midnight) I need to freaking pounce and do this shit! i guess my issue is how to keep the conversation fun and engaging once i open, that seems to be my weakness. i just need to learn how to cure this, which I know isn't hard, I just need to learn it, hence why im asking you guys! I need to learn how to keep the convo going while being funny, confident, and adding DHV spikes when necessary.

What do you guys think about her explanation/excuse? Do you call bullshit? I mean she's the one that fucking waved, not her friend!

Also, badass ways of how to ask her out to prom would be appreciated, shit is coming up quick and I need to make sure the tuxes don't run out so I can make sure to get a matching one! Do I need to hang out with her first before I ask her? My friend doesn't think its necessary, but hell let me hear your guy's opinions.

ALSO, (haha sorry just remembered this) tomorrow we're going to the computer lab to write up a summary of the "casino simulation"... if i sit next to her does that shit look desperate or AMOG to her? That seems like the only chance i have at having an actual convo with her, since stats is such a cut and dry class for the most part, where its difficult to talk to people during class. topics of conversation with her would be appreciated guys! I need something to fill in the voids between the cocky/funny ya know!

P.S. I'm definitely going to drop "talking to you is like pulling teeth" and "its been 3 minutes, but it feels like an hour" tomorrow when we're in the lab (ha ha ha shot out to Mystery!!)

P.P.S. Feel free to voice your opinions on any or every part of this. Please correct me where you think I'm wrong, just make sure to give an alternative. Any feedback is good feedback.

Thanks again for the help guys,

limejuice

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Mar 18, 2010 0:16:44 GMT -5 limejuice said:

Aaron seeing you're in Milwaukee, if you're ever in the Twin Cities give me a call - we can hit up the clubs (16+ or 18+ depending on how old you are or what IDs you've got access to haha).

Haha well, I'm 18 so no worries there.

Mar 18, 2010 0:16:44 GMT -5 limejuice said:

So today even though i had a chance to strike up a convo with her, i PUSSED out on it because I was a pussy. plain and simple. Now that i've admitted I was a pussy, the reason why I pussed out was because I didn't know wtf to say to start or keep a conversation going... I thought using the friday car incident was AFC and old news, that I should move onto another topic, etc... but I didn't know what to move on to. :facepalm:

You need to stop dwelling in the past. Regardless of whether your convo was AFC or not, it happened, there's nothing you can do to change it, and there's no other way it could've happened. Move on from your past experiences. They're there for you to learn, not to worry about.

Mar 18, 2010 0:16:44 GMT -5 limejuice said:

Tomorrow (actually today because its past midnight) I need to freaking pounce and do this shit! i guess my issue is how to keep the conversation fun and engaging once i open, that seems to be my weakness. i just need to learn how to cure this, which I know isn't hard, I just need to learn it, hence why im asking you guys! I need to learn how to keep the convo going while being funny, confident, and adding DHV spikes when necessary.

First of all, if you approach this like you have to do this, you'll become needy on the outcome and just plain won't have fun with the interaction. That's the most important part of pick up, having fun.

Secondly, the only way you can learn how to keep a conversation going is by continuously doing it. Sure you can learn routines and such as crutches, but that's all they are: crutches. Learn to have a conversation without them.

P.S. I believe there is a list of good topics to talk about somewhere on this forum. That should help you out a little bit.

Mar 18, 2010 0:16:44 GMT -5 limejuice said:

What do you guys think about her explanation/excuse? Do you call bullshit? I mean she's the one that fucking waved, not her friend!

Well, I think this is another example of you dwelling in the past. Who cares what her excuse was? It's in the past. If you bring it up now, you'll just be seen as weird. But, if you really want to know what I think on this subject, I believe it's obviously bullshit.

Mar 18, 2010 0:16:44 GMT -5 limejuice said:

ALSO, (haha sorry just remembered this) tomorrow we're going to the computer lab to write up a summary of the "casino simulation"... if i sit next to her does that shit look desperate or AMOG to her? That seems like the only chance i have at having an actual convo with her

I believe you just answered your own question. When you start worrying about whether or not sitting by her is alpha or not, you're thinking too much. How else are you going to talk to her if you don't sit by her?

Mar 18, 2010 0:16:44 GMT -5 limejuice said:

P.S. I'm definitely going to drop "talking to you is like pulling teeth" and "its been 3 minutes, but it feels like an hour" tomorrow when we're in the lab (ha ha ha shot out to Mystery!!)

Please don't. First of all that's just plain mean, that's not even a neg. Secondly, don't use negs unless a girl is being bitchy towards you. You don't need negs, especially in high school.

[limejuice]

Mar 19, 2010 0:40:46 GMT -5 @aaron4prez said:

Please don't. First of all that's just plain mean, that's not even a neg. Secondly, don't use negs unless a girl is being bitchy towards you. You don't need negs, especially in high school.

I'm surprised you haven't seen any footage of this being done man. You do it in a playful way, its not like you're screaming at them. When I negged her on tuesday I was totally expecting to get the finger but she lost it laughing.

In fact just a couple hours ago I got a nice long "hahahahaha" to a neg on FB from another high school chick, bottom line is that negs do work, its when people use them incorrectly that they get a bad name.

I appreciate the "move on" mentality, but if we don't learn from our previous mistakes, we're bound to repeat them. Its like learning how to ride a bike, falling off, skinning your knees, and then saying "oh well i'll try it again, just gonna move on from that brutal fall because its in the past", falling off again, and skinning your hands because you never analyzed what caused you to fall the first time. Breaking down a sarge is a very valuable part of any PUA's learning curve.

Like I said, I appreciate any and all feedback, just give an alternative if you don't see eye-to-eye on something in order to make it constructive.

Thanks for the post

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Mar 19, 2010 2:27:42 GMT -5 limejuice said:

I'm surprised you haven't seen any footage of this being done man. You do it in a playful way, its not like you're screaming at them. When I negged her on tuesday I was totally expecting to get the finger but she lost it laughing.

Sure it can work, I used to use cocky funny to the max (which is essentially a neg), but from my personal experience, it gets old real fast. Some girls absolutely love it, some despise it. Personally your example (the pulling teeth) is not a neg or cocky funny and is mean. I'm sure you know what these both are so I won't explain them to you.

Sure your pulling teeth "neg" can work, but very rarely. All I can say is you're lucky that the girl is waaay into you.

Mar 19, 2010 2:27:42 GMT -5 limejuice said:

I appreciate the "move on" mentality, but if we don't learn from our previous mistakes, we're bound to repeat them. Its like learning how to ride a bike, falling off, skinning your knees, and then saying "oh well i'll try it again, just gonna move on from that brutal fall because its in the past", falling off again, and skinning your hands because you never analyzed what caused you to fall the first time. Breaking down a sarge is a very valuable part of any PUA's learning curve.

Mar 19, 2010 0:40:46 GMT -5 @aaron4prez said:

They're there for you to learn, not to worry about.

Of course you're supposed to learn from them, but when you dwell on unimportant things, it takes control of you. See, I personally hate giving people advice when they ask, "This girl just texted me this, what do I say!?!?" When you continuously ask others what they would say and not yourself, you can't learn anything. The only thing you learn is to be dependent on other people advice. That was a little off topic

Anyways, you're going to make a mistake a few time before you realize what you were doing wrong and how to fix it.