Quick Question

[Nick]

So, I don't know where else to put this but I have a pretty easy question for you guys.

I know it teaches that you should be the Alpha Male that knows he is the shit and think if a girl doesn't go for him than that is her loss. So, the Alpha doesn't chase after women right?

So, does that mean initiating the talk to another girl is bad? Should you always wait for her to text, call, IM, or whatever? or is there some grey area I'm missing?

[Deleted]

This is actually a great question, something I'll probably write an article on eventually.

It is said that alphas know they're the shit and that alphas don't chase women. This is true... to an extent. When people first start in the community they hear this and they basically stop talking to girls because they'll always see it as "chasing" the girls.

This is wrong. You can't put absolutely no effort into girls and not expect them to return that right back at you. You get what you give. It is definitely okay to start texts, IMs, calls, conversations how else are you going to talk to girls?

Girls are different with these things. Some girls will always start the conversation (regardless of her attraction (or lack of) for you), and some girls will never start conversations. You need to find a good middle ground and work from there.

[sleeky]

I agree with what Aaron said.
The mindset of a true Alpha male is "I take what I want". Defiantly initiate conversation, or else you'll get NO conversation

[Nick]

Yeah, thanks a lot guys. I understand what you're saying and it does make sense, but I just really have a problem understanding how you can go up and talk to a women and then somehow come across as you not needing her.

I mean, you came up to her to talk to her(or text w/e you're doing - YOU initiated it) and then you make her think she doesn't deserve you. How is that possible?

Maybe I'll just learn all this in time.

[Deleted]

More good questions callmegod.

Well, first of all, I can tell from the way you asked the question that you need a little bit of work on your confidence and such.

A confident person wouldn't ask how to talk to person without seeming needy in the process... work on that.

You don't need her, you thought she looked like fun so you're going to see how fun she is.

You're initiating this conversation because you know she wants you, you're just making it easier on her part (or this is the most beneficial belief to have anyway). You're "making her thinking she doesn't deserve you" because you know she likes you, you're just going to find out how much, besides it's a very fun flirty thing to do ;D

All you need to do is not give up your power in the process.

[Nick]

Yeah, thanks Aaron. Once again it does make sense.

I grew up probably the same way most people here did with the parents that didn't teach them anything and they were a dork kinda thing. My main issue was my dad always taught me how to run before I truly learned how to walk. So I have had confidence issues but I'm working on it ;D

I just finished reading "The Game" boy was it a long read but it was good. Although, it actually made me realize what I really wanted from PUA. Not just picking up women.

The reason I asked all these questions is because I just started reading "How to become an Alpha Male" How embarrassing right? Anyway, he just starts talking about stuff as if I should automatically understand everything. So I had to come here.

After coming across this forum, watching all the videos, reading a book and a half... I feel like a little kid that just learned how to ride a bike. Yesterday I went to the mall just for the hell of it. I would never of done stuff like this a week ago...

[Deleted]

Haha it's all good man.

We were all once in your position. I'm just glad I could help you.

[Nick]

Oh hey, one more question I just thought of. I hope you come back again.

If an AMOG or anyone asks you "Are you gay?" or "Are you stupid?" in response to something you did and you answered "No dude, I'm not gay. I'm not like that." then you would be qualifying yourself to him/her right? And to my knowledge qualifying yourself is bad?

What do you do in that situation? Just ignore it?

Thanks

[Gumby]

I know I'm a newbie, but I've had that happen before.

The reply you said would definitely be bad. They just AMOG'd the shit out of you, and you are stepping back and defending yourself. Laugh it off, be Alpha, don't care what they say (REALLY don't care what they say. What the hell kind of payout if homosexual anyway?).

There are plenty of good responses to these insults. Stuff like, "Nah I'm right, but thanks for the offer mate," or something similarly funny will give you the upper hand.

Make sure you portray relaxation when you reply, and act as if you don't care. If you have a dramatic response you lose.

Stay calm, laugh everything off.

[Nick]

I like that response. Thanks bud. If there's anymore that would be great. I usually don't think of good responses til a day later... you know how that goes...

[Gumby]

Yeah mate, just have a look around the forum - I can't remember where I saw them but there's a shitload. Articles maybe.

highschoolpuas.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=amog&action=display&thread=180&page=1

Read that ^^^^

It'll save you

[Deleted]

Gumby pretty much got it.

When you qualified yourself, you put yourself on the defensive and you were seen as the loser, the beta, the low value guy. You bought into his frame. That's not good.

Never qualify yourself to a shit-test or an AMOG.

There's plenty of ways to counter an AMOG. I personally like to ignore it. The AMOGer then seems too tryhard and everyone sees him as the beta.

Get rid of your ego and you'll never have to worry about AMOGers.
Right now your self-esteem is glass. People throw stones at your self-esteem and it shatters. What you want your self-esteem to be is like smoke. People throw rocks and it passes right through. If anyone looked at the smoke, they wouldn't notice a rock even got near to it.

[Nick]

Alright thanks. Anyways, I'm back for more advice... I may just start a new thread. This one is gonna be full of questions. Please come back and read it ;D

So I got AMOG'd today pretty hard by this guy. I just ignored most of it because I didn't know what else to do... Since qualifying or reacting is bad...

So this guy(nerd king), who used to be my friend(I know why I left him), was in the middle of this "conversation" with two girls(nerds) who were basically just picking on him because they were bored and needed entertained, but he didn't see it that way. I was sort of in and out of the conversation.

So, they ask him(He has a girlfriend - HB4 TOPS, like no joke, it's his only pride, though I don't mean to insult him) if he ever talks to his friends about his girlfriend(no). Actually, they asked me first and I said no, then they asked him. He said, "Not really, I don't like talking to them about my girlfriend. I mean *points at me cuz he thinks I'm his friend* does this look like someone who talks a lot about girls? Does he look like he talks about anything but video games?"

I just sat there in awe and said absolutely nothing. I didn't know what to say to that. Honestly, I don't talk that much about video games, I haven't in years. I didn't even play all weekend, but he still brought it up. A lot went through my mind but instead I just said nothing. I didn't take any offense to it because insults have never really bothered me except for where my insecurities lie(my looks) and that's about it. What could I have done there?

Secondly, I'm pretty sure I know what I need to talk to women to gain comfort and attraction. Especially with that list of 20+ in the articles somewhere, which I didn't understand until reading 2 books about it. So now, I need to know how to basically game guys. I'm not talking routines and shit and I know friendship is different but this is my biggest problem.

I don't know how to talk to guys I want to befriend. I have a little AA but my biggest thing is my logical side telling me I don't have a damn interesting word to add to a conversation to make them think I'm interesting. I haven't really done many interesting things so that is one problem which I'm trying to fix. It's just hard for me to insert myself in a conversation and keep it going. Inserting being the hardest part. Is there an article on THIS?

Also, I haven't looked yet, but is there something on looks somewhere that is really good? Like hair, clothing, w/e? It really is where I'm insecure.

[Deleted]

Here's basically a default way to AMOG when you don't want to ignore what is being said

"Haha Oh my god, dude, you are so fucking cool/funny/smart/etc, can you pleeeeeeease teach me how to be as cool/funny/smart/etc as you are?" while patting him on the back.

Once again, get rid of these negative beliefs. They are holding you back. Why would anyone not want to talk to you, you are the most interesting person in the world!

Just joke around with them, talk about sports, be funny. No article can really help you with this stuff, you gotta just go for it.

Also mr. (fake or real, I'm not sure but this article is good) savoy posted this article awhile ago: highschoolpuas.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=fashion&action=display&thread=3194

[Nick]

Thanks Aaron, you're really helping a lot. I've just never really liked that line. It makes me feel like an asshole especially to someone who thinks of me as a friend or someone in general who I've known for awhile. Oh well.