PUA is bullshit

[bravo]

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Its all bullshit, the techniques dont work, it is simply you that is portraying confidence that is making it seem like it is working. The only thing good about PUA is it makes you start approaching, this is great, you should never stop doing it, but the techniques make you look creepy and it is not "yourself", it is not who you are. Best way to have success with girls is basic......forget about PUA and be yourself, PUA makes you worse with girls, believe me, I got more pussy before I found PUA, then I lost all my game, and now I'm trying to back to normal. It is all bullshit, a scam to get your money. I guarantee you, ask yourself write now, think of when you were talking to a girl and you were using so called "pick up techniques" did they actually work? Then think of another instance when you genuinely liked a girl and were interested in her, how much better did you do? PUA is a scam, you should get out of it before you become worse with girls, the longer you stay the worse you become, just get out there, talk to girls, and be normal. Its been working for thousands of years, look at all the babies in the world, look at your parents, why did they fuck each other? There was no seduction bullshit going. Girls fuck guys, guys fuck girls. Nuff said. Be Yourself and forget this scam.



P.S. All that shit about "becoming the prize" and "dont giving girls compliments", not paying attention to them to become a "challenge" is completely hilarious bullshit. Most pua guru's are socially akward virgins who made up techniques to scam people. Cocky funny bullshit does not work. The truth is.......believe it or not. 99% of you guys know how to get a girlfriend and how to fuck lots of girls, you just are not convinced you could do it, thats why you came to PUA. Men are biologically programmed to interact with vagina, you know how to talk to girls, PUA is not the way.......be your fuckin self!

[Nick]

I completely agree. PUA is both an addiction and a religion and for all the wrong reasons.

It's addicting because when you first get into it, you see results. Not because of PUA, but because you started trying. You get further and further addicted but it will never help you.

It's a religion because everything is based off faith. You are just expected to believe that everything just works because some dude says so. Everything is so based off of technicality and everything else. Picking up women is not a science, it's completely natural. On that same note, I actually believe in some of the things that PUA teaches. Sometimes, PUA actually brings out your real self.

I actually approve of this forum though. The majority of us believe in self-help and inner game. Gaining confidence and courage. All you ever need to succeed, in anything, is motivation and courage. After that, you will slowly gain experience and everything will come easily.

P.S. Your links are really dumb. PUA doesn't ruin lives. You can only let PUA ruin your life. It's no different than alcohol and cults. You're too weak of a person to know what is right and to not become addicted. Then again, maybe it's not really your fault if you're weak. Just don't complain about it. Learn from it and grow up.

[bravo]

Nov 8, 2010 0:13:45 GMT -5 Nick said:

I completely agree. PUA is both an addiction and a religion and for all the wrong reasons.

It's addicting because when you first get into it, you see results. Not because of PUA, but because you started trying. You get further and further addicted but it will never help you.

It's a religion because everything is based off faith. You are just expected to believe that everything just works because some dude says so. Everything is so based off of technicality and everything else. Picking up women is not a science, it's completely natural. On that same note, I actually believe in some of the things that PUA teaches. Sometimes, PUA actually brings out your real self.

I actually approve of this forum though. The majority of us believe in self-help and inner game. Gaining confidence and courage. All you ever need to succeed, in anything, is motivation and courage. After that, you will slowly gain experience and everything will come easily.

P.S. Your links are really dumb. PUA doesn't ruin lives. You can only let PUA ruin your life. It's no different than alcohol and cults. You're too weak of a person to know what is right and to not become addicted. Then again, maybe it's not really your fault if you're weak. Just don't complain about it. Learn from it and grow up.

Ruining lives not referring to their whole lives, but more like their game and the way they interact with girls. It ruined that. By the way, I liked how you were on board and in agreement with me and then halfway through your post you start insulting me for being weak, I find that kind of funny. And by the way it never ruined my life, because thankfully I have read many stories on the net about pua bullshit, and I have started quitting before it could get the best of me.

[bravo]

Nov 8, 2010 0:32:56 GMT -5 bravo said:

Nov 8, 2010 0:13:45 GMT -5 Nick said:

I completely agree. PUA is both an addiction and a religion and for all the wrong reasons.

It's addicting because when you first get into it, you see results. Not because of PUA, but because you started trying. You get further and further addicted but it will never help you.

It's a religion because everything is based off faith. You are just expected to believe that everything just works because some dude says so. Everything is so based off of technicality and everything else. Picking up women is not a science, it's completely natural. On that same note, I actually believe in some of the things that PUA teaches. Sometimes, PUA actually brings out your real self.

I actually approve of this forum though. The majority of us believe in self-help and inner game. Gaining confidence and courage. All you ever need to succeed, in anything, is motivation and courage. After that, you will slowly gain experience and everything will come easily.

P.S. Your links are really dumb. PUA doesn't ruin lives. You can only let PUA ruin your life. It's no different than alcohol and cults. You're too weak of a person to know what is right and to not become addicted. Then again, maybe it's not really your fault if you're weak. Just don't complain about it. Learn from it and grow up.

Ruining lives not referring to their whole lives, but more like their game and the way they interact with girls. It ruined that. By the way, I liked how you were on board and in agreement with me and then halfway through your post you start insulting me for being weak, I find that kind of funny. And by the way it never ruined my life, because thankfully I have read many stories on the net about pua bullshit, and I have started quitting before it could get the best of me.

[RMO]

Bravo sit down, and shut up.

I agree that the mystery method social robot shit is bad. I went through everyone of those lame links and they are go back to 'be yourself' and PUA is just creeping girls out. You don't have an opinion. Its like cheating at a game you don't know how to play, you don't know the purpose, or the reason, but that every now and then you get into the right position to get some pussy really fast. Its really chancy and most of the PUA is overhyped marketing bullshit, after working at one of the firms it really is.

However there is an offshoot of Pickup, its the inner game, being a man movement. Its be the best possible version of yourself.

The premise is simple. Our society has made it so that being masculine is frowned upon, the naturally attractive tenets of manhood is downplayed, and a bunch of socially awkward dudes come out of the woodworks. PUA takes the success skills of naturals, men who dont give a shit about society and release their inner beast, and build avatars based around them, making hyper efficient social robots. Inner game mentality is about making a life that you can enjoy, become a man, having fun and not giving a shit, then finding a girl ( who is naturally attracted to that kind of person).

This forum is actually a good thing to exist because it allows your average highschooler to find out what being a man is, we have lost a lot of that in our culture, to become psychologically healthy, then learn about evolutionary psychology/ PUA/ how girls think and realize that yes, men are sexual creatures, and we should not be ashamed.

I also guarantee that the guys who fucking fail at PUA are totally incongruent and are ruled by their ego.

I recommend reading
David DeAngelo
60 year challenge
Pheromone Kid
Sex God Method

These guys are all natural, build sexual tension, escalate, and be the best possible version of yourself. Read those then trash on a forum whose dedicated to keeping kids from becoming PUA weirdos and socially retarded. For me personally PUA brought to my attention some cool factoids on how people think, and that the more you act like yourself, have fun, and dont give a shit you're life will be much better. Find the renaissance man in yourself, find the animal in yourself, let the duality take over and you will be truly free.

P.S.
for all of you waiting for me to get you material and general teaching I'm sorry I haven't been on here that much, my whole life just exploded (family), but I promise you I will get back to you ASAFP

P.P.S Bravo i wouldnt really talk shit about something if you have a -3, you should check out Andrew's thread about this same topic, it is much more in depth and hits more reasonable points in this specific community.
highschoolpuas.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=3055&page=1

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[Nick]

OMG! I'm so sorry Bravo. Lol. I actually didn't mean that to be directed at you. I take the second person perspective A LOT more than I should.

P.S. Your links are really dumb. PUA doesn't ruin lives. You can only let PUA ruin your life. It's no different than alcohol and cults. You're too weak of a person to know what is right and to not become addicted. Then again, maybe it's not really your fault if you're weak. Just don't complain about it. Learn from it and grow up.

When I said "You're" I was referring to everyone that let PUA ruin their lives. Whether or not that is you, is not for me to say. Oopsy... haha

[Luis the awesomest of awesomes]

hmm I think I was going through the same thing bravo was a few weeks ago, I posted something very similar

[Johnny Bravo]

Whenever anyone brings up something about it 'not working' or 'fake' or bullshit, just ask yourself something.

Bravo - How often do you get laid?

Go ahead and lie. Tell me its not because of pua if you even do get laid.

Now, go do something productive man. IF you don't like PUA, thats cool. But we do, and we think it works.

Why don't you go tell a muslim that allah isn't real, and jesus is the only savior.

Your opinion, no one cares, stop thinking they do.

You are not the prize.

You are not cool.

You are not getting laid.

Be open to things and things will fall into your lap - mainly pussy.

[bravo]

Johnny man, I think you are smokin too much of that ganj dude. PUA does not work.......nuff said. Inner game works. That shit is great, I appreciate this site for that because it really makes you feel great. But if you are talking to a girl and you are thinking "Oh my god, I forgot to DHV spike 4 times and jump into 2 comfort building questions and approach her at a 42 degree angle...... I am not getting enough IOI's to go in for the kiss close..........oh no, a male is approaching, maybe I should amog the obstacle, here we go, alpha male time........." then you are fucked, because a real man with functioning balls does not think this way. Mystery is a virgin. Neil Strauss likes men.

[RMO]

I agree with almost everything except the last sentence, if you were a real man then why do you give a fuck about mystery and neil strauss? I know both of them personally, ask around the forum you will find this to be true, and they definitely get laid, with the opposite sex, more then you could imagine. I'm not saying I agree with how they do it, but they found something that works for them.

Also a real man does think that way, its just all internalized, the issue PUA has is for the most part they dont teach the students that, so they over analyze things. Body language, tone of voice, positioning, these are all powerful factors, the trick is to just naturally get them without turing it into a science.

[Shampoo]

This WHOLE discussion opened my eyes. I think Ive been over analyzing A LOT recently and been off my game. I have to get back on track again haha

[Johnny Bravo]

Bravo. You are too closed minded.

Its like driving a car. When you are under 16, you THINK you know how to drive a car, because you see your parents doing it. Yet you are always a passenger.

Then once you get your license, you realize you didn't know what it was like to drive a car, you just thought you did.

You don't know what its like to pick up a girl using PUA.

You obviously have no clue what goes on, inside a PUAs mind.

It is no longer (for me):
"I need to DHV here" Its... "this girl isn't attracted to me and im losing the conversation, a good idea would be a DHV." Then I DHV.

Your missing the calibration aspect. And that comes with time.

Obviously you've never learned this, but once you do, you'll probably realize how much of an ass you are.

buttttttttttttttttt

The thing is, you assume im wrong, and your 100% right. So you cannot even CONSIDER what I'm saying to be the truth at all.

And now your thinking "well you think your ALWAYS RIGHT!"

And I do. I am 100% right that pick up works. BECAUSE ITS ME. DO NOT TELL ME WHAT WORKS FOR ME AND DOESN'T. You are not me. You are not Mystery.
You are some little kid who doesn't understand it.

Get it through your head dude, we all do at somepoint, you. do. not. know. everything. You. are. not. always. right.

YOU MAY BE RIGHT THIS TIME. But not about whether PUA works at all, but that it doesn't work for you.

Sorry about your shitty luck man. Your that 5% that can't seem to get laid no matter what.

Sucks for you. Good luck buying her flowers.

[bravo]

Lol I got somebody pissed.... , by the way, that car analogy is so retarded haha. I hope your continue your game plan of DHVing your way to pussy lulz.

[Validus]

Nov 9, 2010 21:37:04 GMT -5 bravo said:

Lol I got somebody pissed.... , by the way, that car analogy is so retarded haha. I hope your continue your game plan of DHVing your way to pussy lulz.

Why are you still bitching about it..

If its fake, then don't use it..

Why waste time and energy posting about it's falseness.. ?

I mean really, if your so much above it,

why did you register on a PUA oriented forum, then spend all that time arguing how it isn't real..

Clearly, your life is so amazing ..

My 2.14 cents

[RMO]

DHVing = demonstrating higher value

which means if you dont, at least unconsciously, DHV, then its impossible to get laid, look at any time some dude gets laid, the girl had to be attracted to him, and you cant be lower value and build attraction to sex.