My workout to get six pack abs

[DanZy]

Jun 11, 2012 17:53:41 GMT -5 canadiankid said:

DanZy - intermittent fasting is awesome. That workout is also awesome. I don't have a clue where you got your credentials but that workout worked very well for me and others. Eric Cressey is legit

I was referring to the OP's workout, didn't look at yours

[Shampoo]

Jun 11, 2012 21:54:51 GMT -5 RMO said:

Jun 11, 2012 21:20:38 GMT -5 Shampoo said:

Its better to eat every two hours and here's why. Your body can only process 20 grams of protein in one meal in 2 hour intervals. If you eat more than 20 grams in a meal then all the excess protein goes to shit. So if you want optimal protein intake eat every

That was disproved señor

Really? By what research?

[canadiankid]

Jun 11, 2012 23:21:31 GMT -5 DanZy said:

Jun 11, 2012 17:53:41 GMT -5 canadiankid said:

DanZy - intermittent fasting is awesome. That workout is also awesome. I don't have a clue where you got your credentials but that workout worked very well for me and others. Eric Cressey is legit

I was referring to the OP's workout, didn't look at yours

Oh ok lol never mind then

[NorwegianDJ]

Jun 11, 2012 23:40:41 GMT -5 Shampoo said:

Jun 11, 2012 21:54:51 GMT -5 RMO said:

That was disproved señor

Really? By what research?

Tonnes upon tonnes. They found fault in the original research. Ask yourself, does it even make sense, evelutionary?

[Shampoo]

It would make since evolutionary but at the same time looking at things from an evolutionary stand point doesn't always make sense. From an evolutionary stand point does it make sense to eat bread as a human when we only have one stomach? When cows and other animals who eat grain have multiple stomachs to digest it? Also from an evolutionary perspective it wouldnt make sense to eat fruits as they only grow at a certain time of the year. Also keep in mind the theory of evolution is ever changing and that it has not become law yet and it is still a theory.

Anyways what I'm basically saying is if my information is outdated I want to see the experiment so I can learn from it instead of getting told that from an evolutionary stand point it doesn't make since to eat every 2 hours. Why go back to the stone age, when they had to earn food when today all we have to do is buy it and eat it whenever.

[RMO]

Jun 12, 2012 0:39:32 GMT -5 Shampoo said:

It would make since evolutionary but at the same time looking at things from an evolutionary stand point doesn't always make sense. From an evolutionary stand point does it make sense to eat bread as a human when we only have one stomach? When cows and other animals who eat grain have multiple stomachs to digest it? Also from an evolutionary perspective it wouldnt make sense to eat fruits as they only grow at a certain time of the year. Also keep in mind the theory of evolution is ever changing and that it has not become law yet and it is still a theory.

Anyways what I'm basically saying is if my information is outdated I want to see the experiment so I can learn from it instead of getting told that from an evolutionary stand point it doesn't make since to eat every 2 hours. Why go back to the stone age, when they had to earn food when today all we have to do is buy it and eat it whenever.

That was all kinds of ignorant

Bread was invented and is a product or agriculture, and it makes us fat. We were nomadic so fruit and berries are easily available (also our ancient diets were 50% berries and fruits). Since we were nomadic it makes no sense on eating every 2 hours since THERE WAS NO WAY TO STORE FOOD. The ability to get food whenever is nice, but you can see the unhealthy reaction it has on people when it's not maintained properly. It is also the flip side of why Fasting can be good for you, since there's not a ready source of food available.

The biggest ignorance is he told you there's tonnes of data, maybe you should google it? Its not our job to provide scientific data when you can just do a quick search. I just did and here are the top 3 links
www.muscle101.com/old_page/macro.html

www.abundalife.com/coconut-oil-complex.html

www.leangains.com/2010/10/top-ten-fasting-myths-debunked.html?m=1


You can have all the protien you need per day at one time, or spread apart, or whenever, as long as your getting you 150ish grams. The OP really should focus more on fat loss, less grains and processed foods and. More veggies, fruits (which da have fructose but are still better then soda), legumes, and meat.

EDIT: I take that back, calling evolution, of which there are 2 varieties, just a theory is fucking moronic. Gravity is just a theory genius. Everything in science as a whole are base on the idea that we can't really verify our data. A theory scientifically is not guessing and it is ridiculously hard to get most hypothesis's to become theories. Also the central precept of all of biology is evolution. Are you saying everything in biology can be discarded because you don't understand it well enough to be able to defend your agurement?

[jae]

Jun 12, 2012 0:39:32 GMT -5 Shampoo said:

It would make since evolutionary but at the same time looking at things from an evolutionary stand point doesn't always make sense. From an evolutionary stand point does it make sense to eat bread as a human when we only have one stomach? When cows and other animals who eat grain have multiple stomachs to digest it? Also from an evolutionary perspective it wouldnt make sense to eat fruits as they only grow at a certain time of the year. Also keep in mind the theory of evolution is ever changing and that it has not become law yet and it is still a theory.

Anyways what I'm basically saying is if my information is outdated I want to see the experiment so I can learn from it instead of getting told that from an evolutionary stand point it doesn't make since to eat every 2 hours. Why go back to the stone age, when they had to earn food when today all we have to do is buy it and eat it whenever.

I was about to argue against this but Prodigy beat me to it. 30 grams of protein at a time is actually what it takes to raise anabolism by 50%, which means it would make no sense to eat only 20 every two hours. You can just eat 150 grams of protein in one sitting but it isn't optimal, your body can only store so many free amino acids and no proteins so it will break it down, do what it can do with it then dispose the rest before there is a build up of wastes such as uric acid. I learned that in human bio though and my teacher isn't the greatest, if anyone else know's about this? I know eating 2 meals a day is the minimum for optimal growth (pre+post workout) but not sure if one could do.

Also your argument makes no sense. From an evolutionary stand point we shouldn't eat bread. You just further supported what you were arguing against...

[NorwegianDJ]

Jun 12, 2012 4:20:38 GMT -5 jae said:

I was about to argue against this but Prodigy beat me to it. 30 grams of protein at a time is actually what it takes to raise anabolism by 50%, which means it would make no sense to eat only 20 every two hours. You can just eat 150 grams of protein in one sitting but it isn't optimal, your body can only store so many free amino acids and no proteins so it will break it down, do what it can do with it then dispose the rest before there is a build up of wastes such as uric acid. I learned that in human bio though and my teacher isn't the greatest, if anyone else know's about this? I know eating 2 meals a day is the minimum for optimal growth (pre+post workout) but not sure if one could do.

Also your argument makes no sense. From an evolutionary stand point we shouldn't eat bread. You just further supported what you were arguing against...

What you're saying makes a lot of sense to me. However, I've read about experiments (such as the warrior diet I believe(?)) where there was only one meal consumed per day. The one meal group actually got better results and better uptake of protein than that of the several meals a day group. I'd personally say it's fairly unimportant and advise to go with what's comfortable.

Jun 12, 2012 1:07:08 GMT -5 RMO said:

You can have all the protien you need per day at one time, or spread apart, or whenever, as long as your getting you 150ish grams.

Amount of protein depends on your goals and amount of lean body mass 150 is good to aim for if you're skinny and want to bulk. However, a bodybuilder might aim somewhere between 250 and 500.

[DanZy]

Honestly, the amount of protein people say you need for optimal muscle growth is bullshit. Depending on your weight 70-120 grams are all you really need for optimal growth. Go read "How Much Protein?" by Brad Pilon, it's brilliant.

The amount of protein your body can digest is dependent upon your dietary habits. If you consistently consume 30g of protein every meal, your body will have the capacity to utilize roughly that amount. However if you up your protein consumption to say 80g per meal, after some time your body will adapt to this and be able to utilize the 80g completely.

[Shampoo]

Alright first of all chill out, I didn't mean to hurt your guy's feelings. Now second, gravity is a law and you comparing the Theory of Evolution to gravity is completely irrelevant and out of context. Third, I can't really talk shit cause I don't know what you look like in terms of muscle but it seems what you do is research shit (which is good for knowledge) but thats all you do. You don't actually work out or have the muscles to prove what your talking about. Your just bringing in all the theories you read on the net and taking it as fact. Fourthly, you have yet to show me the EXPERIMENT that proves to me that what I said wrong. All you did was give me websites that say that "research shows this" or "research shows that" and does not include what research they are talking about.

Again, I read your argument again and your argument is based on the Theory of Evolution stating that "Since we were nomadic it makes no sense on eating every 2 hours since THERE WAS NO WAY TO STORE FOOD" As I have said before, that might have been the way it was in the Paleolithic age but we now have things called refrigeration where we can store food. Before refrigeration we had salts to store food. Like I said before, why go back to the stone age when we have new technologies and invention that can carry us forward. Even if what I am saying is wrong, to say it doesn't make biological sense is not proof nor is it an argument.

People have an "unhealthy reaction" toward food when they eat too much junk food and don't exercise. It's not correlated with refrigeration or our ability to store food. (I guess we agree on this)

I didn't say a theory is a guess in any of my posts. I said the Theory of Evolution has not yet been verified as 100 percent. I said this before but Newton's LAW of Universal Gravitation is a LAW as we learned it in physics, I'm not going to call you a moron but that was kind of stupid.

To Jae, I am not understanding how I argued my own argument. I said evolutionary speaking it doesn't make sense to eat bread, yet people eat bread. I'm pretty sure that's a neutral statement.

In conclusion I don't want an online argument and I want it to end here, I just had to rebuttal your statements.

[DanZy]

@shampoo
The leangains article cites all its references. If you actually took the time to read it thoroughly and follow the links, you'd find all the hard evidence you could want.

[RMO]

I didn't link you specific websites just the first 3 on google!!!

Here's a study on protien from 2006 that you might have been looking for
home.exetel.com.au/surreality/health/A%20Review%20of%20Issues%20of%20Dietary%20Protein%20Intake%20in%20Humans.pdf

And for the record gravity is a theory, no one understands it. We get newtons law, but that's the affects of gravities pull.

The reason why not being able to store food makes the case is because as hunter gathers for 99.99% of our time evolving. That means that all systems of our body work the best in similar conditions. It's misguided to think that cavemen didn't live long lives, but that doesn't take into account accident, infant mortality and what not since it's avg life expectancy. Since primitive man can't store food and he's not growing things, he can't always eat. So he goes for periods of time not eating. It seems highly unlikely that the body would benefit from consuming protien every two hours if the hunter gather maybe ate twice a day if me was lucky.

Refrigeration and modern tech are irrelevant to evolution discussions SINCE they are MODERN and have not affected us on the genetic level since the frig has only been aloud for like 150 yrs or something. They had to ship ice from the artic for years before that. It's such a recent development that it's not evolutionary at all.

Finally when I say they disproved that, they being scientists, I mean that a study showed that hypothesis to be false. And that my personal belief is irrelevant. No I didn't test it scientifically, and I don't know all that much about fitness, but I took some basics and I gained 30 lb of muscle in 2 months from once a day having a protien shake, drinking a half gallon of milk, eating protien bars when I chilled with my friends. But these events were usually connected, so I only had protien once, twice, or at max three times, any given day. I also worked out. But that's my experience at not scientific data.

[smoob]

Lol I think the moral of the story is just try something and calibrate to find what works for you.