Post by Grape on Feb 7, 2009 15:27:51 GMT -5
Local Reporter: Luc
Here we are back for our 3rd Newsletter, and the first of the new year!
Sorry it took so long to publish, there were many delays and they are all Grapes fault xD...jk
Here at HSPF we all hope you had happy holidays and got some cool stuff.
Recently there have been some changes and I'm sure most of you have noticed the most obvious, the layout change. This brings some much needed organization to a group of highschool boys that our parents would be proud of.
We now have upped our numbers to now 184 members, but our daily user numbers are dwindling, as we only have about 58 members online each day.
Due to a lack of agreement, The forum will not be merging with AP Seduction like previously planned, and with that Gay is no longer staff, though he still posts his helpful Field Reports.
Finally, to add to the list of things the staff needs to get done (E-book, etc...) We have added a third HSPF project centered around psychology, more on that will come to follow.
Well i hope you enjoy the rest of the Newsletter. This one is based around Opening and hooking, and is very important for those of you just starting off. Maybe some of you will actually learn something (oh no!)
Peace and Love
-Luc
Vibing: Grape
Concept:
A nerd with messy hair, glasses, baggy jeans, and tennis shoes goes into a set, slouches down, looks at the floor, his voice trembles and his words are stuttered, "H-h-hi.. you-you're veryy.. uh... pretty. Would you like to h-hang out with me sometime? Only if you want. I'll respect your decision." and leaves like he pissed his pants.
Horrible.
30 seconds later a stud with a sense of fashion goes into the same set, comes up with an energetic smile, voice steady and dominating, looks right into their eyes, and says "Hey guys!"
Everyone responds, "Hey!" back, you see the PUA touching everyone, dominating the set, and getting very excited responses.
93% of an interaction is communicated through non-linguistical factors of socializing. That means that only 7% of an interaction depends on the words you say.
There are many other factors you may have observed in the description of the nerd and the stud. What did you notice the stud did differently from the nerd?
His body posture reeked of comfort and confidence, he didn't stare at the floor, he looked everyone in the eye. His voice was fun and full of energy, he touched people with good reactions. There are many other factors that contribute to a successful interaction than just words. And all of these factors can be changed, it's just a matter of how much one tries.
Applying the Concept:
The PUA understands how people work. He knows that fashion matters and it shows a sense of social awareness. It shows he's part of the flow and that he hangs out with the 'popular kids'. The word popular is made fun of by them, cool is the new word.
The PUA understands that society is based off of being Cool. For guys, cool is about being a part of something important, being a leader, being a man, being someone responsible, being mature, being confident, being the center of attention.
Just today, I walked by a gorgeous girl at Walmart. We passed each other a few times, every time I observed her to see that she would give me a glance and then flip her hair. I didn't even have to go up to her yet and I'd already made her put some sort of effort into impressing me.
What was I doing? I was talking on the phone with my friend about a party that went bad. I was being loud, I was showing personality and basically showing that I was Cool.
There are six things one can do the show that he is Cool without actually having to be rich, having the newest iPod, being the QB of the football team, etc.
The Smile
As I walked up to the girl at Walmart, I put a big smile on my face and opened my mouth to say one simple word, "Hey you." She automatically smiled back with a "Hey." The smile needs to show energy and confidence. It needs to show that you're a fun dude. Fun is the key to getting a girl. So next time you approach some people, put a big smile on!
After reading Body Language for Dummies, the best smile to use when approaching in a social environment is the one when you show your teeth, but you're not quite laughing. Like you're telling a fun story, you haven't gotten to the joke yet, but the story is making you smile. That's it.
Eye Contact
This is important. If you don't stare at the chick you're talking to, wouldn't it feel awkward for her? Yup. The thing about opening is that you want to make her feel like she's someone you've talked to before. Like a good friend you haven't talked to in a few years. Make eye contact when you talk to people. Don't stare, there are times when everyone looks at a corner to think, remember, or imagine something. People make eye contact 30% of the time when they talk. Make eye contact more and more as you get to know her more, but start off with at least 30%.
Also, if you want to do some direct game, check her out while she's looking at you during convo. Glance at her tits, her lips, her face, etc. 80% eyes, 20% other.
Body Language
Posture is essential in LIFE. If you're slouching, stop it right now. Sit up straight, take a deep breath to fill up your chest, and stop leaning in. I have a cousin who plays video games a little too much and he looks like a turtle with no neck and a bent back because he leans in so much. No offense to him, but a perfect example of what not to do.
Look at the movie stars, the public speakers, or adults in general. They stand up straight, they can make a strong impact when they speak just by standing in a comfortable yet confident stance.
Now, don't come on too strong by directly facing your target. Give them some space, turn your body at a 10/2 o clock angle and talk with your head turned over to him/her.
Vocal Tonality
Voice shows a lot about a person. It shows their confidence. If you heard a person talking in a light, soft, trembling voice, would you ever think he's a part of something important? Like he could actually save a life? Like he could do something cool? Nope.
Gradually change your voice if it's not already vibrant and loud. The point is not to yell but being able to be loud while using an indoor voice. You can do this by slightly flexing your chest while you talk and pushing a lot of air out of your throat. Stop talking out of your nose and talk with your throat. It's key.
Kinaesthetics
If you don't know what the word itself means, it means the sense of touch. If you don't feel comfortable touching people, how will you ever kiss them? Love them?
Something you need to do when self-improving is pushing your comfort zones. Everyone has a comfort zone, it just depends how big or limited they are. As you become more successful and cool, you'll realize that people aren't mean, they just want to get rid of the boring people and just have lots and lots of fun. Realizing this will raise your comfort level and you should be more comfortable touching others.
Touch touch touch. Don't start off putting your arms around girls unless you're making a cocky/funny approach. Start off patting them on their backs, putting your hands on their shoulders, giving high fives, doing silly handshakes.
PUAs do something called kino escalation. It's when you gradually escalate the amount of kino you do with a target.
Fashion
Having a good sense of fashion is probably THE EASIEST WAY to hook. It's just clothing and hygiene. Just wash your face 3-5 times a day, keep clean, get a nice hairstyle/cut, and wear some clothes that STICK OUT. If you go to a high school at all, you know what I mean. Don't be a clown, but wear the cool ones. Don't wear such baggy clothing unless it's a part of your style and don't wear jeans that show your ankles. It's funny looking and shows you don't have a sense of self-awareness. Not Cool.
Misconceptions:
Confident vs Egotistic
A lot of people get very confused with what being confident is all about when they first get started.
Confidence is merely how comfortable you are with your surroundings.
It's not about showing "you're better than others", because you really aren't. We're no better than each other. Having an ego and being stuck up is NOT cool.
So when you approach, don't be an asshole. Be fun and energetic.
Bitches vs Bitch shields
There is an entire article on bitch shields later in this newsletter. But just know that not every girl is stuck up or bitchy. There ARE bitches, but not as much as you think.
For one thing, bitches don't have much friends.. because they're bitches. Make sense? Hopefully.
The so called bitches that you see who DO have lots of friends probably are NOT bitches, they just have things called bitch SHIELDS. They only have these shields towards people that will bore them, creep them out, or simply stop them from feeling good.
I hope you guys have enjoyed this post. It's basic information, but it's vital.
<33 Grape
Bitch Shields: Chris
Hey guys, I'm going to talk about "bitch shields" today. First of all, what exactly is a bitch
shield? It is not to say that the particular girl is a "bitch." It is just an attitude she uses to
filter out spineless guys who repeatedly hit on her. It's when she acts bitchy and indifferent
so some guys will just leave her the fuck alone. I'm sure we have all had it happen to us. We
blatantly walk up to a good looking girl and blurt something out like "how you doin'?" She
immediately gets that look on her face like she doesn't want you to be there and says
something bitchy like "uhhh why are you talking to me?" Ouch. So now that we know what
a bitch shield looks like, lets get into this.
First, how to avoid the BS before it begins
Why is the bitch shield activated? It's usually when an unwanted guy blatantly hits on the
girl. So how do we avoid this? First step is lets become "wanted." The first step to avoiding a
BS, and, having a smooth progression in general is building your social value. AMOG and lead
guys and definitely demonstrate preselection by hanging out with a bunch of girls. Other girls
will actually want you to approach if they see this.
The next step is approaching indirectly and non threatening. Sure, direct game will work if
you have a ton of value and preselection going for you but that's not always possible. So we go
indirect. What does this mean? Make it seem like you are simply talking and being social, not
hitting on anyone, not trying to get anything, just having fun and being social. Body language
is important here. If you go up to a girl straight up pointing towards her, that could be seen as
rapport seeking. However, if you are standing at an angle and addressing the entire group the
girl is in, maybe even ignoring her, how can she get bitchy? You don't "need" an indirect opener
such as an "opinion opener" to work but you can. You can simply open by being social and
saying "hhheeeyyyyyy guys whatsup" then teasing the girl that addresses you.
Breaking the BS
Now for actually breaking the barrier we call bitch shields. If you did all of the above
correctly and you are still getting that bitchy attitude, let's talk about some ways we can
break on through.
The first "technique" we can use is what we call False Time Constraints. This is when you
imply, verbally or nonverbally that you are short on time and only have a minute or two to talk.
Why does this work? Because when you first approach, if you don't have a lot of value going for
you, the "set" is going to be thinking to themselves "when is this guy going to leave us alone?"
So when you drop a hint that you have to leave soon, that automatically takes away that kind
of negative reaction and removes some degree of "bitchiness." FTCs can be verbal or nonverbal,
or both. A verbal example would be "hey I can only stay a sec, but......" (NOTE: better to say
"sec" than "minute". If you say "minute" you might end up with some obnoxious dude counting
down the minute.) One nonverbal FTC is called body rocking. As you open the set, take a step
or two back like you are about to leave, then come back. This not only sets the time constraint,
but it raises your value by showing a willingness to walk away. One more nonverbal FTC would
be as you are sitting down, stand up like you are about to leave, then go ahead and sit back
down.
A powerful technique for getting through bitchiness is what we call negs, or negging. This is
when you drop a possibly ambiguous statement that is designed to show disinterst. A note on
negging however, be playful with your delivery. Too many guys get the concept of negging
wrong by being dead serious and they come off as assholes. Use negs sparingly, they are mainly
designed simply to get past the bitch shields. With high value women, about two negs should be
enough. Take punishment/reward into context too. If a girl is being open and nice, you don't
need to neg her, in fact it will be counterproductive. Neg only when needed.
Some examples of negs:
* "you and I would NOT get along"
* "is she always like this?"
* "i bet you are high maintenance."
The last thing I want to talk about regarding bitch shields is about your inner game. If you
are going to "pick up" and you want something or a certain reaction from a girl, you are bound to
get blocked with a bitch shield. Girls do not like value leeches. You should be the guy who is
having fun no matter what, totally detatched from all outcomes. If you are the guy having more
fun than anyone else, purely entertaining yourself, people will be drawn to you and you wont
have to deal with bitch shields as often, and if you do, you know how to get past them.
Thanks guys, and remember to have a blast with this stuff.
-Chrispb7
Bullshitting: Andrew
TBA
Here we are back for our 3rd Newsletter, and the first of the new year!
Sorry it took so long to publish, there were many delays and they are all Grapes fault xD...jk
Here at HSPF we all hope you had happy holidays and got some cool stuff.
Recently there have been some changes and I'm sure most of you have noticed the most obvious, the layout change. This brings some much needed organization to a group of highschool boys that our parents would be proud of.
We now have upped our numbers to now 184 members, but our daily user numbers are dwindling, as we only have about 58 members online each day.
Due to a lack of agreement, The forum will not be merging with AP Seduction like previously planned, and with that Gay is no longer staff, though he still posts his helpful Field Reports.
Finally, to add to the list of things the staff needs to get done (E-book, etc...) We have added a third HSPF project centered around psychology, more on that will come to follow.
Well i hope you enjoy the rest of the Newsletter. This one is based around Opening and hooking, and is very important for those of you just starting off. Maybe some of you will actually learn something (oh no!)
Peace and Love
-Luc
Vibing: Grape
Concept:
A nerd with messy hair, glasses, baggy jeans, and tennis shoes goes into a set, slouches down, looks at the floor, his voice trembles and his words are stuttered, "H-h-hi.. you-you're veryy.. uh... pretty. Would you like to h-hang out with me sometime? Only if you want. I'll respect your decision." and leaves like he pissed his pants.
Horrible.
30 seconds later a stud with a sense of fashion goes into the same set, comes up with an energetic smile, voice steady and dominating, looks right into their eyes, and says "Hey guys!"
Everyone responds, "Hey!" back, you see the PUA touching everyone, dominating the set, and getting very excited responses.
93% of an interaction is communicated through non-linguistical factors of socializing. That means that only 7% of an interaction depends on the words you say.
There are many other factors you may have observed in the description of the nerd and the stud. What did you notice the stud did differently from the nerd?
His body posture reeked of comfort and confidence, he didn't stare at the floor, he looked everyone in the eye. His voice was fun and full of energy, he touched people with good reactions. There are many other factors that contribute to a successful interaction than just words. And all of these factors can be changed, it's just a matter of how much one tries.
Applying the Concept:
The PUA understands how people work. He knows that fashion matters and it shows a sense of social awareness. It shows he's part of the flow and that he hangs out with the 'popular kids'. The word popular is made fun of by them, cool is the new word.
The PUA understands that society is based off of being Cool. For guys, cool is about being a part of something important, being a leader, being a man, being someone responsible, being mature, being confident, being the center of attention.
Just today, I walked by a gorgeous girl at Walmart. We passed each other a few times, every time I observed her to see that she would give me a glance and then flip her hair. I didn't even have to go up to her yet and I'd already made her put some sort of effort into impressing me.
What was I doing? I was talking on the phone with my friend about a party that went bad. I was being loud, I was showing personality and basically showing that I was Cool.
There are six things one can do the show that he is Cool without actually having to be rich, having the newest iPod, being the QB of the football team, etc.
The Smile
As I walked up to the girl at Walmart, I put a big smile on my face and opened my mouth to say one simple word, "Hey you." She automatically smiled back with a "Hey." The smile needs to show energy and confidence. It needs to show that you're a fun dude. Fun is the key to getting a girl. So next time you approach some people, put a big smile on!
After reading Body Language for Dummies, the best smile to use when approaching in a social environment is the one when you show your teeth, but you're not quite laughing. Like you're telling a fun story, you haven't gotten to the joke yet, but the story is making you smile. That's it.
Eye Contact
This is important. If you don't stare at the chick you're talking to, wouldn't it feel awkward for her? Yup. The thing about opening is that you want to make her feel like she's someone you've talked to before. Like a good friend you haven't talked to in a few years. Make eye contact when you talk to people. Don't stare, there are times when everyone looks at a corner to think, remember, or imagine something. People make eye contact 30% of the time when they talk. Make eye contact more and more as you get to know her more, but start off with at least 30%.
Also, if you want to do some direct game, check her out while she's looking at you during convo. Glance at her tits, her lips, her face, etc. 80% eyes, 20% other.
Body Language
Posture is essential in LIFE. If you're slouching, stop it right now. Sit up straight, take a deep breath to fill up your chest, and stop leaning in. I have a cousin who plays video games a little too much and he looks like a turtle with no neck and a bent back because he leans in so much. No offense to him, but a perfect example of what not to do.
Look at the movie stars, the public speakers, or adults in general. They stand up straight, they can make a strong impact when they speak just by standing in a comfortable yet confident stance.
Now, don't come on too strong by directly facing your target. Give them some space, turn your body at a 10/2 o clock angle and talk with your head turned over to him/her.
Vocal Tonality
Voice shows a lot about a person. It shows their confidence. If you heard a person talking in a light, soft, trembling voice, would you ever think he's a part of something important? Like he could actually save a life? Like he could do something cool? Nope.
Gradually change your voice if it's not already vibrant and loud. The point is not to yell but being able to be loud while using an indoor voice. You can do this by slightly flexing your chest while you talk and pushing a lot of air out of your throat. Stop talking out of your nose and talk with your throat. It's key.
Kinaesthetics
If you don't know what the word itself means, it means the sense of touch. If you don't feel comfortable touching people, how will you ever kiss them? Love them?
Something you need to do when self-improving is pushing your comfort zones. Everyone has a comfort zone, it just depends how big or limited they are. As you become more successful and cool, you'll realize that people aren't mean, they just want to get rid of the boring people and just have lots and lots of fun. Realizing this will raise your comfort level and you should be more comfortable touching others.
Touch touch touch. Don't start off putting your arms around girls unless you're making a cocky/funny approach. Start off patting them on their backs, putting your hands on their shoulders, giving high fives, doing silly handshakes.
PUAs do something called kino escalation. It's when you gradually escalate the amount of kino you do with a target.
Fashion
Having a good sense of fashion is probably THE EASIEST WAY to hook. It's just clothing and hygiene. Just wash your face 3-5 times a day, keep clean, get a nice hairstyle/cut, and wear some clothes that STICK OUT. If you go to a high school at all, you know what I mean. Don't be a clown, but wear the cool ones. Don't wear such baggy clothing unless it's a part of your style and don't wear jeans that show your ankles. It's funny looking and shows you don't have a sense of self-awareness. Not Cool.
Misconceptions:
Confident vs Egotistic
A lot of people get very confused with what being confident is all about when they first get started.
Confidence is merely how comfortable you are with your surroundings.
It's not about showing "you're better than others", because you really aren't. We're no better than each other. Having an ego and being stuck up is NOT cool.
So when you approach, don't be an asshole. Be fun and energetic.
Bitches vs Bitch shields
There is an entire article on bitch shields later in this newsletter. But just know that not every girl is stuck up or bitchy. There ARE bitches, but not as much as you think.
For one thing, bitches don't have much friends.. because they're bitches. Make sense? Hopefully.
The so called bitches that you see who DO have lots of friends probably are NOT bitches, they just have things called bitch SHIELDS. They only have these shields towards people that will bore them, creep them out, or simply stop them from feeling good.
I hope you guys have enjoyed this post. It's basic information, but it's vital.
<33 Grape
Bitch Shields: Chris
Hey guys, I'm going to talk about "bitch shields" today. First of all, what exactly is a bitch
shield? It is not to say that the particular girl is a "bitch." It is just an attitude she uses to
filter out spineless guys who repeatedly hit on her. It's when she acts bitchy and indifferent
so some guys will just leave her the fuck alone. I'm sure we have all had it happen to us. We
blatantly walk up to a good looking girl and blurt something out like "how you doin'?" She
immediately gets that look on her face like she doesn't want you to be there and says
something bitchy like "uhhh why are you talking to me?" Ouch. So now that we know what
a bitch shield looks like, lets get into this.
First, how to avoid the BS before it begins
Why is the bitch shield activated? It's usually when an unwanted guy blatantly hits on the
girl. So how do we avoid this? First step is lets become "wanted." The first step to avoiding a
BS, and, having a smooth progression in general is building your social value. AMOG and lead
guys and definitely demonstrate preselection by hanging out with a bunch of girls. Other girls
will actually want you to approach if they see this.
The next step is approaching indirectly and non threatening. Sure, direct game will work if
you have a ton of value and preselection going for you but that's not always possible. So we go
indirect. What does this mean? Make it seem like you are simply talking and being social, not
hitting on anyone, not trying to get anything, just having fun and being social. Body language
is important here. If you go up to a girl straight up pointing towards her, that could be seen as
rapport seeking. However, if you are standing at an angle and addressing the entire group the
girl is in, maybe even ignoring her, how can she get bitchy? You don't "need" an indirect opener
such as an "opinion opener" to work but you can. You can simply open by being social and
saying "hhheeeyyyyyy guys whatsup" then teasing the girl that addresses you.
Breaking the BS
Now for actually breaking the barrier we call bitch shields. If you did all of the above
correctly and you are still getting that bitchy attitude, let's talk about some ways we can
break on through.
The first "technique" we can use is what we call False Time Constraints. This is when you
imply, verbally or nonverbally that you are short on time and only have a minute or two to talk.
Why does this work? Because when you first approach, if you don't have a lot of value going for
you, the "set" is going to be thinking to themselves "when is this guy going to leave us alone?"
So when you drop a hint that you have to leave soon, that automatically takes away that kind
of negative reaction and removes some degree of "bitchiness." FTCs can be verbal or nonverbal,
or both. A verbal example would be "hey I can only stay a sec, but......" (NOTE: better to say
"sec" than "minute". If you say "minute" you might end up with some obnoxious dude counting
down the minute.) One nonverbal FTC is called body rocking. As you open the set, take a step
or two back like you are about to leave, then come back. This not only sets the time constraint,
but it raises your value by showing a willingness to walk away. One more nonverbal FTC would
be as you are sitting down, stand up like you are about to leave, then go ahead and sit back
down.
A powerful technique for getting through bitchiness is what we call negs, or negging. This is
when you drop a possibly ambiguous statement that is designed to show disinterst. A note on
negging however, be playful with your delivery. Too many guys get the concept of negging
wrong by being dead serious and they come off as assholes. Use negs sparingly, they are mainly
designed simply to get past the bitch shields. With high value women, about two negs should be
enough. Take punishment/reward into context too. If a girl is being open and nice, you don't
need to neg her, in fact it will be counterproductive. Neg only when needed.
Some examples of negs:
* "you and I would NOT get along"
* "is she always like this?"
* "i bet you are high maintenance."
The last thing I want to talk about regarding bitch shields is about your inner game. If you
are going to "pick up" and you want something or a certain reaction from a girl, you are bound to
get blocked with a bitch shield. Girls do not like value leeches. You should be the guy who is
having fun no matter what, totally detatched from all outcomes. If you are the guy having more
fun than anyone else, purely entertaining yourself, people will be drawn to you and you wont
have to deal with bitch shields as often, and if you do, you know how to get past them.
Thanks guys, and remember to have a blast with this stuff.
-Chrispb7
Bullshitting: Andrew
TBA
