PUA Gurus' "Bullshit" Escalation

[Grape]

As I've been looking more and more into as to how exactly the stuff Mystery teaches, David D teaches, and Swinggcat teaches works, I've came to a conclusion.

Bullshit Escalation.
Let me show ya what I'm getting at dawg.

Mystery says, "If a girl gives you 3 IOIs, you can officially kiss her."

Swinggcat says the key is to framing that you are the prize, when all in all you both know it's just kidding around and such.

David D is all about C&F and personality right? Well it's being FUNNY by being cocky, just like Swinggcat's Prizability.


And then after trying out these methods as an rAFC, one realizes "Hmm... what Swinggcat said isn't necessarily true. I can get women without being 'prizable' so much."

And then comes the state of confusion. They think to themselves a whole lot and are going through a whole lot of emotions and moods because their minds are really really confused.

So... then they get into natural game.

And then in natural game, they start finding out a whole lot of stuff and realize that a lot of stuff Mystery and Swinggcat back up their methods with are actually bullshit.

But you gotta realize, THE METHODS WORKED.

It wasn't because you were framing yourself as the prize, it wasn't because you negged the target and then ran an ESP routine, etc.

It was simply because the rationalizations gave you confidence that the methods are fool-proof.

It gave you the boost you needed to make that extra step into escalating the relationship.

The material and routines? Merely 'fluff-talk' stuff to keep the convo going between you and your target.

The prizability? Merely a tool to help you SHOW OFF THE RIGHT personality.

It's really funny too. because once we realize how some rationalizations were crap, we start shunning away the method and our minds just oppose it.

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So quoted for truth by some PUA teacher person:

Escalation IS the game.

As long the facts are: You are talking to a girl. You are getting her attracted to you. You are touching her. You are making all the right moves.

It won't matter what you back it up with.
As long as you're out there and interacting, THAT's how you'll get results.

It doesn't matter if you know a shitload about PUA, if you memorized over 500 openers, if you read 50 books on seduction.

You've GOT to start applying this stuff.

Don't look at how much you know, look at how much you've accomplished.

THAT is the key to success.

Hope you enjoyed it bro.
<33 Grape

[secret]

OMG you have seen the light, that calls for a +1 xD when i left for a little while i noticed that these arent the methods that were getting you the results it was your confidence, in knowing that 100 and 100 or more guys read and were doing this and they got success, that why the game as switched gears to more naturalisim and not so much to this old indirect, its not about what you say or the routine stacks that you do the interaction itself is the key to gaining and ultimately getting the girl

[kristallnachte]

really though, the methods aren't bullshit

well, at least not MM, though certain things, like anything someone tries to sell as absolute truth, are a little off

[Grape]

well yeah, i said that in the post =]

the methods really do work.
but just some of the rationazations are not always true.
which leads to the 'shunning' of the method.
but then not using certain techinques/methods hurt one's game.
but then learning why the methods REALLY worked helps out TONS.
Which is why natural game is important, like secret said.

[Alek]

Man, it all comes down to Subcommunications. Thats what prizeability is, sub communicating to her that you are the prize and not her. All the methods are there to subcommunicat different qualities about yourself, and to give you a basic structure to follow. Now with structures, and everything else, you need to be calibrated for it to work. It is just a basic format.

And the point of routines are to convey your personality, while demonstrating value.

And this stuff isn't confusing, you just need to learn why things work first. If you understand the concepts of why things work the way you do, you can make up your own stuff and vibe off of things correctly. Let alone, you will understand everything on a deeper level - then if you learn to be self correcting, and criticize yourself on what you did wrong in a set and how to fix it, your going to be unstopable

And grape, I don't agree that its the rationalizations that give you confidence, which builds attraction. Sure that is part of it, but the underlining reason is what you subcommunicate.

[SenorBubbz]

If you don't have confidence you're a complete loser.
Building confidence is the point of the game.
It's hardly he lines, it's the confidence in which you use it, that 100% feeling you get when you know something works.
With the confidence in your own game, many more things come, such as making up your own routines on the spot.

It's all about the confidence!!

[secret]

i agree it is all about confidence and how you use confidence, i used to cling to routines i wanted that magical opener that was guarantee to work but it wasnt the opener it was the confidence i got out of that opener and the the traits that i showed of because im diff

as for MM, it is the root that all these seduction companies came out of but i think there is many falws to the MM method, now when i first got into this i was hardcore MM fan, but now i see that its not as good as it makes it seem, yes its good to base it or to start for square 1 but u have to build and take away from that and gain your own unique style

[Grape]

Whatever leads you to escalate the relationship, stick to it.

Just don't throw away old techniques when you think "Oh.. what it's backed up by isn't necessarily true."

If you have a strong belief that whatever technique works, then do it.

For you Alek, methods are all about subcommunications. You feel confident it's the most important thing. And it gets you results. Stick with it.
And when you discover 'subcommunication' theory is backed up by SOME weird logics, just know that it's been getting you results in the past and that it can get you results now.

Because it doesnt matter what's going on in your head as long as you're making all the right moves, as stated in the original post.

<33 Grape

[sylar]

You guys are all wrong, I just saw this Axe commercial and it told me that girls don't like guys with dirty, greasy hair. I think I'm gonna quit pickup and just buy shampoo, see you losers later XD

(ps: this is sarcasm. grape speaks the truth.)

[SenorBubbz]

That made me lol really hard =P

[Grape]

All about the pube fro.

[sylar]

lol but seriously, now that I think about it, I actually have something to contribute to this discussion

In RSD's "Transformations", one of the instructors, Tim, talks about how whatever method you're using can only work with 100% confidence. He proceeds to talk about how after his fat girlfriend cheated on him, he went on the internet to find out how to pick up girls...and found a POEM.

He describes the poem as "some of the queerest shit you will ever see", yet at the time, he completely believed without a shadow of a doubt that this was all he needed. So he goes into a nightclub, approaches the hottest girl in it, reads the poem, AND PULLS HER BACK TO HIS HOUSE.

And when I think about it, that's one of the main things that successful PUAs have, 100% confidence in their methods. If you need any more convincing that Inner Game is more important than Outer Game, you may want to see a doctor about your condition.

[sylar]

Mar 12, 2009 13:54:00 GMT -5 Grape said:

All about the pube fro.

93% of girls agree that lopsided pube fros are a major turn-off. Buy Axe Hair Shampoo and get girl-approved pubes!

[kristallnachte]

"its bigger when its balder"

[lilprodigy]

Soo ur saying its all about confidence? i always thought that it was 80% inner game and 20% outer(isnt outer game vocal tones, subcommunications, and posture) .I never got why confidence is is all that important. Alex allman said that the pua stuff works too well and that if u over use it, it may hold you back in that u will never have a real relationship. We are animals just primates, soo there are certain responses that control our thought and feelings. I find it hard to believe that Tim went up to a 10 and rEAD a fuckin poem and got her to come back to his house. You need some sort of socail proof to get a 10. Did i misunderstand what u said or somthing?