My thoughts on the Rejection Ratio

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In David D's DYD book he says about 30 out of 100 girls are open to meeting someone new in a romantic sense.

I've also read a few other e-books that say the same thing.

However, I believe that this is a terrible thought to have in your head.

If you go around trying to hit on every girl you see with the thoughts of seducing her, you're going to fail and the rejection ratio will only increase.

IT'S NOT ALWAYS ABOUT SEDUCING WOMEN.

What should be in your head is HAVING FUN.
It's as simple as that.

When you put on this ladies guy vibe and see it as "hitting on chicks" instead of talking to them, women feel this vibe, and they hate it.
Dominant men don't hit on chicks. They talk to women.

Also, befriending women can be more important than a one night stand.

When you become friends with more girls it open more doors and creates more options. You can start to then play the social circle game and everyone knows that hot girls have hot friends.

With the one night stand it is definitely fun and has amazing pros (SEXXX) but usually thats all it is. One night. No options for meeting her hot friends or becoming part of the social circle.

Also, with the social circle game comes TONS of pre-selection. It makes everything soooo much easier.

Sorry about my rambling, I just had this thought in my head and had to write it down.

[Alek]

yess. I dont see it as rejection, I see it as progression, learning and feedback. And by opening, it makes u more comfortable.

If you dont open, its the same as getting rejection

[Grape]

anyone who goes out to get laid rather than having fun should be seen as low status. this needs to be a rule of society so that people will go for the fun more.

[sparkogre]

I think it's funny when it gets really awkward.


"hey guys, mind if i blatantly hit on you"

^{women feel this vibe, and they hate it.}

No they don't. See: Direct Game.

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There's a difference between sleazy trying to pick up girls and tasteful flirting.

[sparkogre]

^{There's a difference between sleazy trying to pick up girls and tasteful flirting.}


...or how about tasteful trying to pick up girls? And seriously, unless you're like fucking 50 years old or wearing an effing darth vader shirt, people don't really think you're creepy. Unless you just fail really hard. Then it becomes funny.

And shit, you'll stop failing really hard (if you do) after the first or second time that it happens, if you're normal.


You are NOT fooling anybody when you go up and start talking to a girl. Just because you aren't blatantly verbally telegraphing your intentions, she's not fucking stupid; she knows you're interested.

^{anyone who goes out to get laid rather than having fun should be seen as low status. this needs to be a rule of society so that people will go for the fun more.}

This "rule of society" already seems to be in place.

[Deleted]

It sounds like you're arguing for the sake of arguing.

Okay, I'll settle this here and now.

There is a pitfall in the PUA community that guys need to go out sarging at least once a week, need to get as many phone numbers as possible, and try to hone their skills. This is where the fun side of PU turns into work.

When you get into the mentality that PU is work, it will become work. You won't have fun, women won't have fun, and women will pick up the vibe that you're not having fun and hate it.

Don't be the PUA who walks into a house, club, etc. and walks around eyeing up girls like their pieces of meat or trophies. Don't have a game plan. DON'T WORRY ABOUT PICKING UP WOMEN. It will come naturally if you are having fun and being sociable.

If you go in there and start talking to everyone right away not picking and choosing your "targets" and have fun and be yourself you will

A. Have Fun
B. Get Numbers
C. Get laid
D. All of the Above

You took one part of my post and just ran with it. My topic wasn't indirect vs. direct game. It was about how having fun instead of making it like work will drastically affect your game as well as how I view the rejection ratio.

[darkpwns]

May 26, 2009 15:49:45 GMT -5 @aaron4prez said:

It sounds like you're arguing for the sake of arguing.

Okay, I'll settle this here and now.

There is a pitfall in the PUA community that guys need to go out sarging at least once a week, need to get as many phone numbers as possible, and try to hone their skills. This is where the fun side of PU turns into work.

When you get into the mentality that PU is work, it will become work. You won't have fun

This is the truth, once you view something as work you start to fail. Creating AMVs is a hobby I'm into, but I started seeing it as work...trying to please all those people that I can no longer produce anything that meets up to my standards.

I agree that PU is the same, also if you go into a set thinking "I'm soooo hitting on this girl" the outcome of the interaction means more to you, if you're just talking to the girl, vibing with the girl then IF you get blown out the outcome will mean much less as you didn't get rejected, a conversation was simply ended.

I don't agree that women hate being hit on, in fact they love it. It gives them validation and women constantly seek validation, the problem is that you're giving them that validation without them working for it...this is the reason why indirect game works much better than direct game. Once a woman receives the validation she wants she can easily blow you off without a second thought.

I also don't agree that women see all men that come up talking to them on the street or wherever as hitting on them. I am constantly opening girls for the purpose of befriending them and they maintain conversation seeking to befriend me. Girls only pick up on what you show them.

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May 28, 2009 5:51:39 GMT -5 darkpwns said:

I don't agree that women hate being hit on, in fact they love it. It gives them validation and women constantly seek validation, the problem is that you're giving them that validation without them working for it...this is the reason why indirect game works much better than direct game. Once a woman receives the validation she wants she can easily blow you off without a second thought.

Geez dark, you really know your stuff haha. Now that I'm not obsessed with reading Vin DiCarlo's stuff I definitely agree. I was just in a very DiCarlo-y mood when I wrote that. However, I still stand by what I wrote.

[Grape]

May 26, 2009 15:16:56 GMT -5 sparkogre said:

^{anyone who goes out to get laid rather than having fun should be seen as low status. this needs to be a rule of society so that people will go for the fun more.}

This "rule of society" already seems to be in place.

This just got me thinking... we should do a group project on the Rules of Society, a huge list.