Ignorance is Bliss?

[Deleted]

Hold on to your hats guys because I'm about to get all philosophical on your asses. (plus a looot of rambling)

So, it's a pretty common cliche that Ignorance is Bliss. However, does that make knowledge misery?

The reason I ask this is based on my parents. Now my whole family is hardcore conservatives and they love to watch the news. Now every single time my parents watch the news, they get pissed at democrats, obama, or basically any shootings or whatever. Almost to the point of yelling about it.

Now I tell them to stop watching it if it makes them feel so enraged.
Ignorance is Bliss.
They retort that they need to know what's going on in the world .

Now, I've stopped caring about politics for a while (the whole system sucks) and rarely watch the news because all they show is suffering (which really pisses me off. Why do they have to show nothing but the bad. Oh well that's a post for another time.) so I don't watch it. Why does it matter to me? I would rather to be ignorant to the suffering in the world than wiser yet sadder.

There's another statement and that is "Knowledge is Power".
This may be true, but is it possible to gain wisdom without feeling misery? (now don't say school studies, I'm talking on a larger scale here).

Now I provide you with this choice.
Would you be blissful yet ignorant
or
Sad and wise?

I believe that if people just ignore the things that cause them grief, the world would be a much happier place. But then, people would be blind and nothing would change.

Change does not come without knowledge. You must be knowledgeable of a situation in order to change it. However, knowledge causes you grief and stress. Look at all the presidents. They go in youthful and unaware of what is to come. They come out old, tired, and in need for a loooooooooooong vacation.

However, if there was no suffering, then there would be no grief accompaniment to knowledge. You could learn until your hearts content and not worry about pain, but that's not the way humans work.

DISCUSSSSSSSSSSSS

[Johnny Bravo]

Or.....get alot of pussy.



I pick option three.

[RedDog]

I don't watch the news either. I agree... I'm kind of an ignorance is bliss guy.

[ascendancy]

there is a third saying that must be regarded along with these things. Your parents have the power to vote, which in its totality the power that controls the direction of our nation. Your parents would be foolish not to make sure that their power is used properly.

If you question how much power your parents have, consider where the world would be if the people of Germany hadn't elected Hitler as their Chancellor.

Moreover, there is no sad wisdom. There is sad knowledge which comes when you learn it and then do nothing. A wise person who acquires knowledge that is sad is not affected by it emotionally because he's already working to change it for the better.

Do you think Martin Luther King, Jr. was sad when he lead the protests, facing violence by both the police and the KKK? No. Do you think he was sad when he was Jailed by his own country? Not for long because as soon as he was out of there he was back on the streets trying to give blacks their equality.

"Black people are lesser than white men." That is sad knowledge.

Mr. Luther King was leading a happy life because he lead a life trying to change that. And we all know what became of it.

I personally worship knowledge, believing that it can help me to become the Ultimate Being if a gather enough in my lifetime. I believe in using it to better myself, and if you want to know what terrible things sad wisdom can do to you, look around at this website.

I mean, if knowledge is really that sad, then thanks to our community you'll be driven to tears every time you get laid.

In which case, maybe it would be better to stay AFC.

[Deleted]

All of this is just me rambling and trying to make sense of myself while rambling. None of this is meant to be taken seriously, it's just food for thought.

First off, my parents aren't watching to be knowledgeable. What knowledge is there to gain from: "2 people shot this evening." Absolutely nothing. It's worthless news. Also, my parents could care less who to vote for as long as the person has an elephant next to their name. There are plenty of dumbass people out there that have absolutely no reason to vote but still do.

That is why Obama was elected. Now before you get all up and arms about this, I'm not saying he didn't deserve it, I'm just saying that most people voted for him because he was black. They didn't know his views or what he stood for. All they saw was a color and voted.


"'Black people are lesser than white men.' That is sad knowledge."

That is not sad knowledge. The only thing sad about that statement is how backwards and retarded the person who said it is. It's not the 1950's anymore. The only people who would say this are rednecks and KKK members.


Also, knowledge and wisdom is basically the same thing. Wisdom is what you learn and do with your knowledge. There is such a thing as sad wisdom (here you contradict yourself by first saying "Moreover, there is no sad wisdom." then saying "I believe in using it to better myself, and if you want to know what terrible things sad wisdom can do to you, look around at this website.") it's when you gain a knowledge and that knowledge makes you feel terrible.

An extreme example of this is that your son is constantly tanning and develops skin cancer. You're wiser, but does that make you happy? Maybe if you don't have a fucking soul.

If you learn everything that goes on in the world I guarantee you would be sad. You have no idea about half the shit that goes on across the globe, and guess what, you have no power to stop it. That's right I said it. No more of this sissy "You can do anything you set your mind to" bullshit. You can't feed the starving in Africa, you can't stop the extremists in Iraq and you can't stop the weapons of mass destruction in North Korea. This is way out of most people's league (except people like Bill Gates and Oprah for the Africa thing) and what would you do with this knowledge? Knowing that people are dying and you can't do anything to stop it. There's no point in that knowledge and all it brings is misery.

Sorry, but I'm in a bad mood and you pissed me off even more with that little AFC line.

[sharkoffs]

Aaron, your basically saying you want to give up on life. What the fuck are you talking about saying that we don't have the power to change anything?

Talk like that puts people back in the dark ages. I guess we couldn't win world war 2 either, or we couldn't make it too the moon what about stopping segregation.

The only basis that you have for this argument is that your pissed off. Your obviously upset about something ( maybe something to do with not achieving a goal) and now your saying that no one can achieve anything and that we should all give up be ignorant and not care about anything but our own business?

Do you realize what kind of twisted hell the world would become if people actually started thinking in a manner that your suggesting?

Knowledge is power, and great power comes with great responsibility, ignorance is only bliss because you are powerless, and when one is powerless there is no need for responsibility (think of when you were a little child) Therefore you are blissful because of your lack of responsibility's.

But one cannot live a life without knowledge, let me rephrase that, one cannot live a meaningful life without knowledge because one has to keep the world moving forward and the only way to do that is too take a certain amount of responsibility upon yourself for the greater good.

You sound like a child who can't deal with the responsibility of real life, and since you can't deal with it you want too give up. But this is vanity because there is no giving up on life. There is only giving up on living.

Well I think my Lao Tzuish philosophical rant is over now. If you actually read through the whole thing I give you props . Back to Mixing !

[Deleted]

*sigh*

All of this is just me rambling and trying to make sense of myself while rambling. None of this is meant to be taken seriously, it's just food for thought.

Honestly, if you knew me, I'm basically the most optimistic guy you'll ever meet.

Sometimes I like to think philosophically and ponder what all this stuff means. I don't understand why I get attacked for posting something like this and get called names. There's no one answer to this question so try and read between the lines. Maybe you'll learn something next time.

[ascendancy]

"'Black people are lesser than white men.' That is sad knowledge." But it is sad knowledge to the retarded (emphasize the word retarded) redneck KKK members who just "know" that black people are inherently lesser beings.

And its sad that that mentality was common all the way into the 1950's.

And many people struggled to change it for the better and many died in the process.

And we can do everything to stop many of the crimes in the world. We can't necessairly stop them ourselves, but we can work to help it. (Bill Gates and Oprah get their money from individuals, so individuals can make all the changes that they can.)

You are right in that there is no point in immersing yourelf in misery if you have no intention of changing it.

And you know all that ""You can do anything you set your mind to" bullshit." There is some truth to it.
Sadi Carnot figured out how to calculate the efficiency of a heat engine (a.k.a. anything from a refridgerator to the internal combustion engine in your car) not only when heat engines had barely existed but also entirely from the confines of his prison cell (the same cell where he died... Stupid french revolution).
Genghis Khan created the largest empire known to man from the back of his horse.

And a bunch of lonely horny guys figured out the way into women's hearts without bullying, buying, begging, bs, or booze. (a feat long considered impossible)
And a bunch of other lonely horny guys figured out how to take the former group's findings and apply it to high school.

To be perfectly honest, when i think of what you guys are doing, i compare it to the U.S. landing on the moon. In other words, you would be surprised at the things people can do when they put their minds to it.

And as for the AFC thing, when a girl says "I just don't like you that way." An AFC goes home crying about how he's "inherently unlovable. No-one likes me." An AFC believes that he can't get a girl to like him through specific actions. He just waits for "the right one" to come around.

A PUA on the other hand, faces failure the exact opposite way. He analyzes his game and asks "Did i DHV enough? Did I build enough comfort?" And then goes back into the field and perfects his game.

To go as far as you want to in life, acknowledge the evils in the world without dwelling on them, all the while constantly working to achieve your goals and always accept defeat with another attempt.

[Deleted]

I realize most of what I posted is extremely pessimistic. Especially what I posted yesterday ("You can do anything you put your mind to bullshit" was definitely because I was in a bad mood haha definitely not what I would usually say.)

You see, I wish to gain knowledge of things I can change or have the opportunity to change. I wouldn't be here right now if I didn't want to change myself for the better. It's just that worrying about things you can't change are pointless.

I never realized how much hostility my post would create. The truth is that you can do anything you put your mind to if you have the tools and means to do it. Midgets can't dunk. They never will. No matter how much they put their mind to it. But they except this and don't try to dunk.

I guess that was the whole point of my post. You can do anything you want if you have the means to accomplish that goal.

Once again, sorry ascendancy for ragging on you like that. I was in a terrible mood and didn't feel like being argued with at the time.

[RedDog]

Jun 7, 2009 15:20:53 GMT -5 ascendancy said:

And as for the AFC thing, when a girl says "I just don't like you that way." An AFC goes home crying about how he's "inherently unlovable. No-one likes me." An AFC believes that he can't get a girl to like him through specific actions. He just waits for "the right one" to come around.

A PUA on the other hand, faces failure the exact opposite way. He analyzes his game and asks "Did i DHV enough? Did I build enough comfort?" And then goes back into the field and perfects his game.

Win.

[sharkoffs]

Lol, I still think my post is godlike

[ascendancy]

+1 For the post Aaron, for giving us Controversy. Controversy sparks passion. Fear sparks courage. Adversity sparks Adaptation. Hardships spark Endurance.

And i really have to thank you for at least mentioning the part about the phrase
"'Black people are lesser than white men.' That is sad knowledge."

I really had to address that before all the other guys on the forum wrongly accused me of being a racist.

[extra]

Sad and wise, as I'm normally pretty good at accepting the bad and hate ignorance in this day and age. It's one thing if you've got more shit going on in your life or you don't care, but if so don't offer your opinion on things and don't spread nonsense. I kinda get that sad but accepting feeling a lot at times, it comes and goes.

If you're worried about changing things, I am too. We all are, at some level or another. But what have you tried to change that you couldn't? I bet not too much. The question is what to change right? I believe if you REALLY want to do something, or change something, 99% of the time you can. And if you don't, you can die trying which is almost as good.

Also that Obama comment was really unnecesary if you don't want anyone to talk about it. Don't fool yourself.