Be careful who you hang out with.

[Paetar]

Be careful, very careful who you spend your time with. I got screwed over for second time that a person whom I consider friend stole my target. Everytime someone I really cared about.

So just, beware!

[Chris]

yeah try to hang out with "naturals" too. Too much AFCs will pull you down. You become more like the people you hang around wether you want to or not.

[Andrew]

In addition, i had problems with my game becaus ei was hanging out with people who were of a ridiculously lower value than me, and it was really bringing my game down as well as my rep.

[nine]

Jesus Chris and Andrew, you guys are really coming off as shallow. I hangout with people I enjoy. Regardless of how popular or high on the social scale they are. They're my friends. You guys act like friends are merely accessories to peacock with. I don't know if you guys just haven't reached self-actualization yet, or if you're just truly superficial. Either way, it's unsettling to know how the people I take advice from actually think.

Oh and Pae, I can understand. I see your post as warning of who you put your trust in. The other two...

Nine

[Grape]

Well the so called 'friends' are being 'douches' when they steal our targets. It's not cool.

[nine]

That's why my comment was directed at Andre and Chris, both who never stated that their friends were being d-bags.

It was never aimed at Pae, whose friend was clearly undeserving of the title.

Nine

[Chris]

Oct 13, 2008 17:11:22 GMT -5 nine said:

Jesus Chris and Andrew, you guys are really coming off as shallow. I hangout with people I enjoy. Regardless of how popular or high on the social scale they are. They're my friends. You guys act like friends are merely accessories to peacock with. I don't know if you guys just haven't reached self-actualization yet, or if you're just truly superficial. Either way, it's unsettling to know how the people I take advice from actually think.

Oh and Pae, I can understand. I see your post as warning of who you put your trust in. The other two...

Nine

Dude... calm down. I am still friends with lower social value people but i make sure they aren't my only friends. You need to make friends with Alpha guys too. HIGH SCHOOL GAME IS SOCIAL PROOF!!! If you have alpha friends and low social value friends... the only DLV in having lower social value friends is being insecure about them. So dont be judging me on one post buddy, that was merely PART of it.

[nine]

Dude... calm down. I am still friends with lower social value people but i make sure they aren't my only friends. You need to make friends with Alpha guys too. HIGH SCHOOL GAME IS SOCIAL PROOF!!! If you have alpha friends and low social value friends... the only DLV in having lower social value friends is being insecure about them. So dont be judging me on one post buddy, that was merely PART of it.

I think we're seeing it two different ways.

You're seeing game and people in general as divided into values. That some people are worth more than others. The problem with this is that it in and of itself it reeks of the same insecurity as you loathe. By letting other peoples opinions determine you friends' values you're lowering you own value. At least, morally.

I'm seeing it that people in general are equal. That no one is better than any other and that the people I choose to incorporate into my life I do so because they compliment me. That we are just different enough to make our relationships valuable but not so much that we're constantly bickering. I do not suffer other peoples' impression of them.

What I'm saying is that while high school game may be social proof, I myself am not willing to base my choices on how other people may perceive them.

I'm sorry if I did come off too strong, I did overreact. How you choose your friends is your choice. I was merely trying to express how I do, albeit in a fervent manner.

Nine

[Chris]

I DO NOT let other peoples opinions dictate who my friends are. I have been friends with my AFC friends since some of them kindergarten. That said, i do make friends with alphas mainly because I BECOME MORE LIKE THEM JUST BY HANGING AROUND THEM! This is suggested by most great PUAs, hang around success models. I never said I ditch my old friends based on other peoples opinions. Take a look at my first post... does it say shit about social proof? No. It says you become more like the people you hang around. Im in this world to create myself. Of course i am still friends with my AFC friends... in fact they are my best friends. But i make it a point to surround myself with successful guys, so i can REPROGRAM MYSELF.

[nine]

Oct 13, 2008 22:35:16 GMT -5 Chris said:

That said, i do make friends with alphas mainly because I BECOME MORE LIKE THEM JUST BY HANGING AROUND THEM!

I never accused you of ditching your friends. I said that I would never choose mine based on a perceived value. Key word: choose. You yourself said that your main reason for hanging around alphas was so that you'd become more like them.

Also:

Too [many] AFCs will pull you down

You imply that AFC friend are detrimental. That because they are bad with women you shouldn't hang out with them as much as an alpha. This again seems to me shallow. I never give preference to my friends based on how they perform in an activity, be it girls or basketball. I hang out with the people I do because they make me happy.

Nine

[Chris]

Well the truth is... if you're AFC friends are always complaining about their failures and lack of success, it CAN be detrimental because they are pulling you into their reality of scarcity. In that case, i wouldn't even want that negative of a person as my friend. When i said too many AFCs can pull you down, im talking about the fucking wussies that complain all the time and i dont like having that kind of person as my friend because one, its annoying, and two... it brings other people down to their reality.

By the way, i never said you need to hang around Alphas "more" than your AFC friends. I said to make it a point to obtain some Alpha friends so they can help you along the way. Never said they would be replacing your AFC friends.

[nine]

Oct 13, 2008 22:58:35 GMT -5 Chris said:

Well the truth is... if you're AFC friends are always complaining about their failures and lack of success, it CAN be detrimental because they are pulling you into their reality of scarcity. In that case, i wouldn't even want that negative of a person as my friend. When i said too many AFCs can pull you down, im talking about the fucking wussies that complain all the time and i dont like having that kind of person as my friend because one, its annoying, and two... it brings other people down to their reality.

By the way, i never said you need to hang around Alphas "more" than your AFC friends. I said to make it a point to obtain some Alpha friends so they can help you along the way. Never said they would be replacing your AFC friends.

Now that you've put it this way I can see where you're coming from. I have a friend who is terrible with women but he's a great guy to hang with. You can see how you're use of the term AFC did not have the same connotation for both of us.

Nine

[Chris]

Yeah bro, as you can see, my first reply never said "AFC friends." It just said AFCs. You wanna stay away from the AFCs that are actually pulling people into their reality because honestly, would you really want to be friends with that negative of a person? Didn't think so. If they are your friends, great! If they are just some negative wuss-bag from hell, not a good idea to hang around them. (i guess unless that's what you like in a friend lol)

[Grape]

Locked: Stfu.