I totally agree with and understand what acezero is saying, but i'll try be more technical. Before i rate pua's a little on who i am and why i have come to realize 90 % of the stuff all pua's say is not necessary(ps im not a pua with a product to sell you lol). Truth is I was never a loser, i always naturally attracted myself about 1-2 hb 7+ proper girlfriends a year and had others interested in me( i have value
. But i wanted to learn how to be every girl's dream (i can be a bit ridiculous lol) So i decided to learn how to flirt with and excite as many girls as possible. I came across David deangelo, i thought this guy was a national hero (for some reason we men can be persuaded very easily by such men who never prove anything they say i.e having 10's and 9's all over them) i absorbed and applied everything he told me to do like a pro, as always it would work wonders
some times and destroy any hope at other times
. So after about 1 year on De angelo, my friend mentioned Mystery and i was soon exposed to him and all his goons(whose material i latter read). Like de angelo i thought "wow", now this guy has really worked on approach (deangelo isn't fussed about this) and how to go home with a girl you just met
. Now i simply toned down the cocky funny and worked more on using 'routines and the 'canned' material mystery and others provided. Things seemed to just get worse and worse the more i used the Vah, but i just thought it was because 'i' was messing it up and not following the model correctly(this is what most pua's want you to think). Subconsciously you start seeking reactions from your routines, it's like you become some kind of computer that wants to calculate every step and your success depends on her 'reacting' correctly
.Deep down i knew i was fucking things up and making it worse for myself but then the occasional success (particular Hb 9
would once again put mystery's daily brainwashing on track lol. But it still sucked instead of the 80 % success rate we are promised i was getting a 25-30 % success and the other 65%-70% saw me as lost, wondering 'who am i', arrogant(we never realize it) and at times just 'weird vibe boy'. I was far better of when i wasn't trained than when i was trained
. See when you listen to these guys to much you stop becoming (here's the key) NATURAL. If you've watched 'the pick up artist' you may have noticed the way mystery spits his game works for mystery! I mean the guy walks into a club talks to a couple women, (some hot some not)and establishes comfort almost instantly, gets physical contact quickly and enjoys the rest of the night with them. But the key is when he uses a routine it's like he invented it (on the spot) ... oh wait he did
, he never comes of as cheesy or fake. This is when i realized most of us can never do it the way mystery himself does it, and if you can't even come close you will not have enjoyable experiences.
Sad but true, so where did this leave me i had to know try and get my old self back, i decided instead of using guru's material like a bible i was going to now 'refer' and use the good stuff as a casual guideline. When something doesn't go well i then analyze(another thing gurus say don't do.. brainwashing lol) and figure out my mistakes and become better naturally.
You mentioned never complimenting a girl, this one was tough but through experience i realized it is okay to compliment a girl as a indicator of approval (listen to myself almost pua there "P), lets say you arrange to go out she wears a sky blue dress that makes her look wonderful,she smells good you can clearly see she made an effort and above all YOU like this! Tell her she looks *your-words-here* and say why e.g i like the color and the dress. She will then acknowledge that you like 1. that color 2. when she wears a dress and most importantly 3. try more often to impress you with more of them! (bonus!) and it can make her blush
. To throw the pua's a bone(<cocky funny
lol) i agree you shouldn't compliment them all the time especially if you have no legit reason eg your so beautiful, what does that say about you 1,you are like 'all' men you like beautiful women :/.What's your reason? again like all men you like beautiful women :/. Rather compliment them on things you appreciate and give a valid reason.
So back to what i meant when i said 90% of the stuff isn;t necessary. Not only is unnecessary it can and probably will worsen your chances of real happiness and pua's never talk about maintaining relationships. But 100% - 90 % means there is 10% good! what is it you ask? Well you can correct and finally understand why you blew it with girls in the past and remove them mistakes from your game. You receive encouragement to go out and approach women. You probably have looked at sharpening your image with a cool new style. There are times the material works like a charm, this is great and how to be a better man
. In terms of products, u can trust me ive read everyone except for Afc Adam, who seems to be making waves so here's my list of top five Books
1.) How to become and alpha male- john Alexander. Great advise and understanding on how women and the world work. As for the things he knows about being an alpha male, there spot on For me this was alot better than Carlos Xuma's alpha book. The lessons learned from this book are alot more than just getting women.
2.) Dating to relating- Mr L Rx. This guy knows his shit! He can help you find things that YOU like in a girl, and teach you how to maintain healthy relationships
AND he dated 700 women in one year %enufsaid%
3.) Conquer your campus- Mark Redman. The key to unbelievable college experience, happiness ad freedom with who you are is right here. A must read for any one in school I read it last month and changes happened drastically even though i read everything else
4.)Brad P underground dating seminars- Brad P is awesome, in 2009 his underground series put at no one pua and or in the top 3 of any pua site. This guy worked for it, and his way to deal with approach anxiety rocks
5.)Love systems-Routines manual volume 2- Now i would like to hand to the boys at love systems they have stepped there game up drastically, i think training thousands of men has actually helped them learn what they now know. And all the instructors have really helped create a great compilation. Giving routines a good name Great book
I feel my top five list has what i believe is the best of the best, i kinda feel it's not complete because i have high hopes for Adam Lyons but i got exams soon so i'll be studying other material for a while. And finally a small tribute to mystery because authors 3-5 wouldn't be there if it weren't for him. De Angelo too his dvd series is wonderful on how to create and live in your reality. Alas i have typed way to fucking much lol anyways i'm not a pua anymore but please like my facebook page
www.facebook.com/pages/Being-an-awesome-man/168037333272762 . Trying a new project
Finally if you read all this i have major respect for you man
Please if you have anything to say please let me know
. But i wanted to learn how to be every girl's dream (i can be a bit ridiculous lol) So i decided to learn how to flirt with and excite as many girls as possible. I came across David deangelo, i thought this guy was a national hero (for some reason we men can be persuaded very easily by such men who never prove anything they say i.e having 10's and 9's all over them) i absorbed and applied everything he told me to do like a pro, as always it would work wonders 
. So after about 1 year on De angelo, my friend mentioned Mystery and i was soon exposed to him and all his goons(whose material i latter read). Like de angelo i thought "wow", now this guy has really worked on approach (deangelo isn't fussed about this) and how to go home with a girl you just met 
would once again put mystery's daily brainwashing on track lol. But it still sucked instead of the 80 % success rate we are promised i was getting a 25-30 % success and the other 65%-70% saw me as lost, wondering 'who am i', arrogant(we never realize it) and at times just 'weird vibe boy'. I was far better of when i wasn't trained than when i was trained 
, he never comes of as cheesy or fake. This is when i realized most of us can never do it the way mystery himself does it, and if you can't even come close you will not have enjoyable experiences.