I'm DISGUSTED with you guys.

[Andrew]

I am DISGUSTED with you guys.

I just listened to the webinar and i am DISGUSTED with you guys and ashamed that I didn't take part in it.

I have been spending the last two months doing actual live coaching with actual live people within my school. More than half of my clients have been women. I've spread my clientele to include both genders.

And I'll tell you what. I'm damn good at it.

That comes from the fact what while i was still AFC (oooooh yeah AFC BAD) most of my only friends were all girls. High value girls, still, but I spent day in and day out LISTENING to women's boy problems.

Coaching women is totally different than coaching men. Wanna know why?

Women are smarter. Yeap. Hard truth men. Women are waaaay smarter than men are.

And what I've learned within that is that you men in this community need to straight up unlearn a shitload of what PUA has hardwired into your brain. One of my closest students on the forum texted me a few days after the webinar came out and said "Andrew, I don't think I would trust a lot of the relationship advice from the guys on the forum."

That's because at the risk of sounding totally arrogant, he gets his primary coaching and advice from a man who not only has been doing one-on-ones for two years, but also talks to women (high value women, attractive women, the kind of women who could make some of you guys shake in your boots) and listens to them and coaches THEM about US. I one hundred percent speak their language.

That's also why I never go on anymore except to write in my blog. Because I can't teach a client base that feels like it already knows everything. I don't even bother reading to comment anymore because it'll get to the point of utter frustration.




You guys can smite the shit out of me for this post if you want. Because while you're sitting in front of the computer pressing the smite button, I'm out there finding out what women really want




You want to really know what's up? Talk to me on aim at andrewkellnah or send me a PM (I'm more likely to respond quicker on AIM).

Kudos to those of you who have taken the initiative to talk to me. And kudos to those of you who are about to.



-Andrew

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Feb 25, 2010 13:09:14 GMT -5 Andrew said:

And what I've learned within that is that you men in this community need to straight up unlearn a shitload of what PUA has hardwired into your brain.

While, I didn't attend the webinar or listen to it yet, I agree completely with this statement. I didn't start realizing a lot of things until I took a long needed break from pick up. Once you do that, you realize that most of the stuff you are taught is just complete bullshit.

However, I'm still here because I still have so much left to learn and teach. I'm just much more careful on the bullshit that's being passed around.

[Andrew]

hit me up sometime

[Deleted]

Will do.

BTW, +1

[Grape]

Andrew, clear up why you're disgusted again.

Did you think the webinar was bad or were you mad you missed it?

or is it not even about the webinar at all because it looked to be the thesis of your post and then you went on to talk about how good you are with coaching, which confused me Dx

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[Andrew]

Yeah I read it back I'm sorry that was confusing. I think I was mad I missed it so I could clear some stuff up in the webinar.

And its less about the webinar and more that I've been feeling for awhile that there's so much in Pickup recently that hasn't been sitting right with me. And I didn't cement that fact until I started coaching girls and realized that a lot of this stuff shouldn't be in practice.

I'm sorry if that came out super arrogant <3

[Keysersoze]

Andrew mate, I don't think I've ever spoke to you directly but I gotta say when I joined your posts were some of the most useful things I read. that post on clintoning - brilliant, it talked about so many of the things AFCadam was coming out with around the same time about building huge social proof quickly.

I never listened to the seminar because I don't agree with treating a relationship like part of a game; it's a time where you should be both able to drop the bullshit and allow yourselves to be vulnerable, showing your true self. However, I think your reaction here may have been a little rash, I don't believe any of these guys would try to put out bad advice, they were all probably genuinely trying to assist others. It's what I always try to do whatever the occasion because by adding value your not only helping those around you but your helping yourself.

This forum is a place to help guys, who I presume like you and definitely like me, were not very comfortable around girls once upon a time. It's a place where we should be supporting each other, guiding those less fortunate than us in the direction we believe is right so we can all lead better, fulfilling lives. By being so agressive towards it all you've managed to do is deter people who may just be getting into the idea that life really can be whatever they choose it to be. This place is unique, it provides content specific for guys in high school, something you don't get very much of. without this place I think alot of us would of still be leading lives we truly weren't enjoying.

I have a lot of respect for you mate, you clearly know your stuff and probably have much tighter game than I. But maybe if you read this you might see that you went the wrong way about this, if you had an issue you could of just gave some constructive criticism to help improve the content these guys were providing, because you have the ability to do that. It really would of benefited everyone alot more than your rant did.

I'd love to talk with you sometime, dude. and even take the opportunity to get some input to my own development. I think everyone here realises we can all still improve, even you might find something your having trouble with that someone on here finds comes naturally to them. It's a shame you don't post on here more often, there are alot of people on here you could really help.

but hey, I hope it doesn't sound like I'm preaching, it's just despite the fact I've been busy, I am really passionate about this forum and the potential it has to improve the lives of guys who are really struggling out there. and if we worked together this place could become just as useful, if not more than when we all found it.

[Keysersoze]

I can't believe i wrote that whole thing and you commented just before me... my fingers hurt...

[Andrew]

hahaha I WANT EVERYONE WHO READ MY POST TO KNOW THAT I FEEL BAD FOR ATTACKING ANYONE WHO WAS IN THE WEBINAR!!!!

Grape and Chris and even Gay can attest that while I don't have the HIGHEST post count and have taken my breaks, I've been on this forum for a loooooooong time and are extremely proud with the way that most of you guys who have stayed here have grown up.

I didn't mean to be the bad guy haha. I purposely made the post kind of extremist in an attempt to get a point across. Looking back maybe it WAS a bit rash, but maybe also you guys might take a second thought on what you know and how it affects what you do.

But maybe not ; )

(+1 keys (and grape) for calling me out)

-Andrew <3

[Grape]

actually i wasn't trying to call you out at all dude. i was legitly confused.

but yeah, you really are an amazing coach and i'd recommend you to anyone anytime.
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[Volt]

What exactly do you have issues with?

[Andrew]

There's been a lot in the community recently that hasn't been sitting right with me. Like the mindsets and how we view what women respond to, etc. and It never really crystallized for me until I started coaching women and finding out what they really did like and didn't like

[dante3x3]

women are smarter than men? Some men maybe, speak for yourself

[RMO]

this is a breath of fresh air, let me finish before you to push the smite button, I have never seen someone on here actually try to point out flaws in the system and not be trolling. I tip my hat to you good sir.

However I am concerned and confused on some points.

what do you coach? like relationship advice? it is a little vague.

what about the large number of people who don't bother to reply to threads they find genuinely helpful, 80% of the most hopeful articles on here I don't post on.

The webinar I personally think is not a teaching device, if you remember were just a bunch of teens, for the most part, maybe we just needed a way to outlet thoughts on different ideals but the quality of every webinar is to low par for me to keep any usable information after listening.

Andrew you do bring up an important point, PUA can be all consuming, people begin to lose track of the world, forget that women are people. I was talking with my dad about it, he said that PUA is just a small facet of his life, he is more interested in being well rounded, to have varied interests and a be a better person. This led me to bring back an old phrase to help describe what a mPUA should be. A Renaissance Man, it was an concept that you not only wanted t be wealthy, but good with women, manners, science, politics, to be fulfilled as a person. PUA is part of a massive toolset people can use to build their personalities. ( my father is love drop for any new comers on the forum)

Women aren't smarter, their different. If women were smarter do you honestly think that there would still be issues with women's rights? Their brains are wired differently, not better. There are different aspects in a women's life men never even have to think about, their minds are designed to better deal with relationships and such becuase they think about it more in terms of a healthy relationship instead of sex.

Personally before I even found PUA it was more comfortable to hang with girls anyway, I grew up around adults so it was easier to discuss things with girls then it ever was for guys. Currently there are 6 close girls I know that I would never dream of doing anything with becuase I value their support and opinions as friends. I am actually so disinterested in these girls it gets to the point that they start hitting on me!

Anyway, andrew for the most part this was a good post, it voiced a unique spin on things, the only issue were facing is not the forum, but PUA in general. It was never designed for relationship advice. It uses the cave man thought process to spark attraction. Not to maintain a healthy relationship.

if you feel that anything I just said is unjustified feel free to hit me up at
thomas.is.gold@ gmail.com ( my AIM)

[Deleted]

Hehe, I could go on a day long rant about how the community is fucked up.

Anyways, I agree with basically everything you say Tommy, except when you say that

"The webinar I personally think is not a teaching device, if you remember were just a bunch of teens, for the most part, maybe we just needed a way to outlet thoughts on different ideals but the quality of every webinar is to low par for me to keep any usable information after listening."

I personally agree with this, but where it is located is made to seem as a teaching device. I mean, if you see something right on the front page of a self-help forum, you're going to think it was something to learn from, amirite?

PS: +1 for you Tommy just cuz i like ya ;D