Where?

[Nick]

I've been a regular visitor to this site for almost a week. I've read the 6 main articles that were suggested and learned a lot. I've watched hours of videos on The21Convention. I've read all these things about how I should BE. That's great...

I want to know where the routines are? The canned stuff? Where is a video of someone ACTUALLY in the field and getting a girl?

I used to be socially inept and I've been working on it for a year. I'm much better at talking to people and I've learned A LOT since I've been here. But where is a routine I can learn from? Where can I learn what GAME actually IS? Everyone has different reasons for wanting to game a girl but they all do it the same. I don't understand what to say or what to do to gain attraction. All I know is how to BE. I can't come up with a conversation off of how I should BE.

Great, I can be happy, good looking, confident, everything required... but when it comes to actually being in the middle of a conversation. I have no idea what I'm supposed to do to gain attraction from whoever I am after, be it a friend or a girl. I don't know what to say or to do.

I've used some of the "canned" openers or whatever and they work. I was amazed. But after that I'm not the type of person that can think of the right things to say. I want a total conversation of something that worked and I want to learn from IT.

I don't have anything to say when I lock up, which happens every time. I've looked in the Articles and the Materials and Routines but there is nothing there...

Basically, everything I've seen so far is teaching me how to run. I need to learn how to walk first. Where does it teach me to walk?

Where is the examples?

Where is the basics?

[Alek]

well routines arent going to help you that much either man. Social skills are important. Ok so you build attraction, but then what. Routines end. My advice is just to go out and make conversation with total strangers

[Nick]

Yeah, I understand that, but it's hard to build social skills when you don't have anything to base it off of. I don't want to be building bad habits because I'm doing something wrong and don't know about it.

I just want the basics and some examples I can learn from so I know what to look for.

[Traxx]

You have to realize that game is NOT all about routines and canned stuff. In fact, most girls have picked up on alot of routines and canned things. You should never really rely on only that stuff, because, especially in high school, it can get repetitive REALLY quick. Game is really what you NATURALLY say and do to get girls. If you rely on canned routines, you are not yourself and girls will pick up on that quick.

To start off, what you need are the conversational articles that we have around this site if you haven't already read them. Also look up body language and social circle game. This is how you start becoming social.

There was also someone who posted something in their journal about how to quit being shy and socially inept. I'll need to find it.

Apr 16, 2010 19:02:25 GMT -5 Nick said:

I want to know where the routines are? The canned stuff? Where is a video of someone ACTUALLY in the field and getting a girl?

Read up on the journals here. Not only do they tell you what they did, they tell you why they did it, how they did it, and what they could've done instead. They also have links to great articles that aren't always the ones stickied at the top of each sub forum.

Another good thing to listen to:
www.getdaygame.com/How_to_not_run_out_of_things_to_say.mp3

Hope this helped.

EDIT: Here we are.

Apr 7, 2010 14:16:26 GMT -5 @aaron4prez said:

The Difference Between Shyness and Social Ineptness.

I believe there is something that isn’t being discussed around here and that is the difference between being shy and just plain being socially inept. Shy kids may be introverted and closed off at first, but once they open up, they are just like everybody else. These kids usually have a close knit group of friends and rarely expand their group. They know how to talk, they know how to make friends, and they are very aware of social norms and rules, they just don’t know how to go up to a person and start a conversation.

However, socially inept kids are different. They usually don’t have many friends, and the ones they do either don’t enjoy their company or are socially inept themselves. These kids don’t know how to talk without coming off as creepy or making you feel awkward immediately, they have trouble making friends, and they don’t even know what the phrase “social norm” means.

Now how does this relate to pickup? Well, I’ll tell ya.

Socially inept “pooahs” believe that just because they know a few techniques and hide in the community that they will learn how to socialize properly. This is a blatant lie. If anything, the community makes socially inept kids even more so. However, shy kids are much better off. They already know how to socialize, make friends, etc. so they can take these techniques and methods that they learn and compare it with past experience to know whether or not it will work and if they do try it and it doesn’t work, they’ll know not to do it again.

So with this in mind, I’m sure you know where you fit in here all you shy or socially inept kids reading this out there. Here are a few tips for you guys.

Shy kids: Here’s what you need to do, go out there and break out of your comfort zone. It will feel extremely uncomfortable at first, but trust me, you will feel proud that you did it and you will get this adrenaline rush that’s better than any drug. Start socializing more! People like to meet new people, it’s a fact of life, however some people are just too shy to do it. Be the initiator! It may be awkward at first, but once you get the hang of it, it’ll be tons of fun learning about and making friends with new people. Also, since you’re here for a reason, take all the pickup stuff you learn with a grain of salt. A majority of pickup material out there is bullshit so if you must try something out, by all means try it out, but if it still hasn’t worked by the 100th time of trying; it obviously isn’t the right technique for you. Be congruent with yourself!

Socially inept kids: Here’s the deal. Pickup is just going to make you more awkward, and the worst part about it is, you will have no idea because you’re not sure how you’re supposed to act and understand things to begin with. My advice for you is to just go out there and socialize. Learn the social norms and rules and catch yourself if you go outside them. Remember: Topics about puke, shit, piss, death, jizz, illness, religion, politics, rape, child molestation, and pornography are always a no-no. Just work on talking to people, don’t focus on “gaming” people. Work on having longer and longer conversations with people without offending them or making them feel awkward. It’s going to take work because you’ve had these terrible habits and beliefs and ways of speech for so long, but you can control this! Just keep socializing and be cool and you’ll have friends, popularity, and game in no time.

[Johnny Bravo]

Routines are essential to learning game. Best thing I can tell you is to go to bitseduce.com or demonoid.com, or thepiratebay.org, and download some torrents of pick up materials.

[Deleted]

Sorry JB, I completely disagree.

Routines are definitely not necessary. Sure they're helpful, but I know plenty of people (myself included) who get by just fine without them.

Nick: The only way to learn is by going out and doing it. You can't sit in front of a computer your whole life. Go out there and start talking to women, it maybe hard and scary at first, but I believe you'll get the hang of it.

[darkpwns]

I concur with Aaron. Canned shit will only take you so far. Past the open and then you're back to being a lamedick.

The way to get good with women is to actually TALK to women. Do so as much as possible, everyday, note what makes the majority smile, what provokes thought and expand. This community gives you what to look for, and where to expand.

Canned openers are a crutch. Your legs aren't broken. You don't need them.

JB, you're wrong. I only used can openers briefly and that was only AFTER I had gotten to a point where I was comfortable with my effectiveness, and even then most of them were openers I made myself....and they were way less effective than when I go in and "wing" it so to speak.

[Johnny Bravo]

Apr 17, 2010 14:06:55 GMT -5 darkpwns said:

I concur with Aaron. Canned shit will only take you so far.

Exactly dude. This guy isn't some ADVANCED PUA like all of you guys, so he has to use canned shit.

You may be some advanced pua who never uses canned materials and always gets laid like normal, but we aren't all. So we use them as a crutch.

But you know what, you guys are probably right since you get laid more than other people who have said it....oh...losers like Mystery, Neil, AFC adam, and possibly 75% of casanova crew's. Psht, what do they know?

[Deleted]

lol whoa bro, are you angry about something?

Honestly, I used routines for about one week.

The fact of the matter is YOU DON'T NEED ROUTINES. You know the point of routines right, JB?

It's not because they work. It's because they give you confidence. "Oh, man! Mystery said this routine will work everytime!" You then go up to a girl with the utmost confidence because the "greatest mPUA of all time" told you it works. Well, most times it probably will work, but not because the routine is good... Fix your confidence and inner game and you won't need routines.

How do these naturals get laid then? They don't have routines. How do "AFCs" get laid? They don't even know any pickup material!

Of course I'd be lying to myself if I said I never ever ever use routines. It's always good to have at least one in your back pocket just in case.

Btw JB, I thought you out of everyone would've learned that most "mPUAs" out there are a joke. Most of these "mPUAs" don't get laid like rockstars, are majorly fucked up in the head, and are just in it for the money. Get out of your fantasy world.

JB, stop being such a fucking passive-aggressive asshole. It's not good for you.

[thecamdenslag]

I find canned material and routines useful but not so that i use them word for word when talking with girls that I like. i read the canned routines then try to find the reason behind them; such as to open a set in a non-threatening manner, demonstrate higher value, make the target qualify herself for u etc. I then try to do these things using nothing but natural conversation. (plus if you find yourself running outta steam or freezing up you can throw a routine to save yourself. Although canned shiz shouldnt be used as the basis of your interactions with women they can help and be used in other ways. Correct me if im wrong but thats my opinion. Xx

[Sye~]

Well if you read the other thread titles, you would of saw mine:
"The Ultimate Guide to Conversations"
highschoolpuas.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=3217

Edit:
I want to add that I believe its important to learn a couple of routines and canned material.
As you're being a 'natural' which you guys love here. There will always be silent moments, or times where you're just not progressing, or youre not in the mood, or you're nervous.

Having a canned routine will save you.
I could care less about making life long friends when I'm out of my city, therefore I go all out, get what I came there for, then I bounce.
Everybody is happy, remembers me on a good note, I get some numbers, kiss close.
Then my MSN game rocks it from there after I'm back home.

Canned routines are awesome, yet annoying to remember. You end up making them up anyways.