What i think.

[Eastcoast]

Jul 4, 2010 17:17:26 GMT -5 @aaron4prez said:

I can tell I hit a raw nerve.
First of all, most of the stuff you list is confidence based. You start to naturally do this as you become more confident, not as your social skills improve.

And in my honest opinion, pickup should be something to IMPROVE confidence and social skills, not to FINALLY GET.

If you have zero social skills coming into pickup chances are you'll have zero going out. That's just my personal opinion. Pickup is for people who have a sense of who they are and how they interact with people and the world, otherwise it just corrupts them.

But I suppose you can do whatever you want, I'm not your mother.

Nah man didn't really hit a nerve, i'm just defending the guys that came from there. Sure thoes things are confidence based but most people dont have the confidence to do them so you gotta be taught.

I agree with you on pickup being used to build your confidence though. Its for sure an awesome help.

And sure it can corrupt people who have absoutley no social skills to begin with but honestly i think a person who is corrupt with pickup knowlege is way better than what they were before, which is most likely someone who spends all their time indoors.

I agree with alot of what your saying dude but i think i can help out anyone. The extreme socially challenged included.

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Truth is, I'm sure that not many people who have zero social skills get into this. It's mostly the people who feel they could do a bit better.

I suppose in a sense it could help the socially challenged to actually get out there and then to deduce they have zero social skills... but I would assume they would turn to some other "magic pill" instead of actually putting in effort... I think too much

[Sye~]

Prez did you forget how Style and Mystery started out?
They were these 0 social skill guys. Look at them now. The art of pick up isn't for guys who are half decent, its more for clueless guys who want to create a better life for themselves.
Have you not watched "The Pick Up Artist" at all?
They didn't go out and choose socially stable guys...

I don't even know what you are thinking about.. for these guys without learning about the PUA community they would just continue their lame lives then die.





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[RMO]

Wow you guys are whiny bitches, and I mean that in the most literal sense

Aaron has a valid point, but like most people with valid points, or people without lube, he can be very rough.

The point being that your life is to survive and replicate, only 5% of the male population is effective at doing that, why they are so effective is more interaction and confidence then most people. PUA should simply point this fact out and help people skip the years of practice the rest of the 5% have had to learn. Unfortunately this shortcut strategy ruins your ability to be at peace with yourself and you learn to connect your desire in life, your replication value, with lines and stratagems.

I'm not saying any of you are stupid, and didn't know this, you are all very smart, but you are not using your minds. be cool guys, just love the world, love women, love who you are, and let your connections to the world, and your reality shape how you want to live.

Most pickup artists wont tell you this because they would lose a potential customer.

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Jul 5, 2010 1:02:39 GMT -5 Sye~ said:

Prez did you forget how Style and Mystery started out?
They were these 0 social skill guys. Look at them now. The art of pick up isn't for guys who are half decent, its more for clueless guys who want to create a better life for themselves.
Have you not watched "The Pick Up Artist" at all?
They didn't go out and choose socially stable guys...

I don't even know what you are thinking about.. for these guys without learning about the PUA community they would just continue their lame lives then die.





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Well, first of all, Mystery has always been charismatic and has also always been BAT SHIT CRAZY.

Neil said himself he had social skills with men, just none with women which is easily transferable.
EDIT: I take that back: Neil obviously had good social skills. Why else would he be a famous journalist/interview? They're not going to send some social misfit to interview famous people, that's what interviewers do they need to have social skills to get answers and such. He just didn't know how to "act" around women, he had plenty of social skills.

And yes, I have watched "The Pickup Artist" and it's also been confirmed that most of the contestants have "acting backgrounds" aka they're fucking actors.

As I said, it's rare for a person to have zero social skills, but for those that do, this is not the place for them.

Jul 5, 2010 2:41:39 GMT -5 RMO said:

Wow you guys are whiny bitches, and I mean that in the most literal sense

We're whiny bitches because we're having a civilized (well maybe not the most civilized) discussion on a controversial topic? Where's all this hostility and name calling coming from?

The point being that your life is to survive and replicate, only 5% of the male population is effective at doing that, why they are so effective is more interaction and confidence then most people.

Bullshit. 5%? That's laughable. Where are you getting these bullshit numbers? Unless of course you're saying the only percentage of the population that knows what they're doing which is still bullshit. Effective =/= PUA. Effective means it gets the job done, and if people didn't know how to get the job done, we wouldn't be teetering towards overpopulation on Earth now would we?

PUA should simply point this fact out and help people skip the years of practice the rest of the 5% have had to learn. Unfortunately this shortcut strategy ruins your ability to be at peace with yourself and you learn to connect your desire in life, your replication value, with lines and stratagems.

I'm not saying any of you are stupid, and didn't know this, you are all very smart, but you are not using your minds. be cool guys, just love the world, love women, love who you are, and let your connections to the world, and your reality shape how you want to live.

Agreed, but you could've done without the "not using your minds" part, it just takes away from what you're saying.

[RMO]

wow, did I kill your first born? the whiny bitches is really I thought this thread had died the someone posted a small comment and then it exploded with replies.

The numbers that you consider bullshit vary between 20% and 5%, the actual number would probably be closer to 20%, and its not that you know what your doing but what your doing gets you laid is all, you could be totally winging it.

I'm not referring to you aaron who probably, only because other then these quaint arguments I dont know you, has his shit together, I'm referring to those who read the original MM and decide to start picking up girls, they need to think about what their doing, understand how social situations work.

As I said, it's rare for a person to have zero social skills, but for those that do, this is not the place for them.

i take issue with that, mostly because my own brother lives in AK and gets minimal social interaction from his guy friends, and before I really understood PUA I thought it was about picking up chicks. My bro had no idea how to deal with girls at all, he would deny hugs, he was a fucking disaster. I did not teach him the way I learned. I took him out with me and I showed him that being fun and cool with anything is the best thing you can do. I showed him the PUA terminology, but I did not recommend a single source of info, but he read lots any way. He does his own thing, hes an artist, but this knowledge, given to someone with almost zero, because it is impossible to have zero social experience, with a good teacher changed his life for the better.

This forum should cater to that highschool guy who social experience is minimal, if you was good in social interactions you wouldn't even be on here. I see what your saying, and the mPUA's aren't s good of teachers as they are marketers, but you cant just say PUA is not for the socially inept, THATS THE DEMOGRAPHIC THEY MARKET! I dont mean to belittle you, but who else would buy and product, your average AFC is not desperate enough to read an ad, get women in your bed now, and thinks its not a scam.

but whatever, I didn't even criticize your point before that, I was merely exasperated because both sides have valid points but you guys spend less time working on the points then attacking the other persons.

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I cannot disagree with you Prodigy, you have your shit down and I agree that this is a place to help those... less fortunate than us. However, I believe guys should get out there first and experience this stuff first hand.

When people come into this with zero social skills they are coming from nothing. No friends, no relationships, nothing. Then they see this "brotherhood" and they become disillusioned. Everything is for the "community", you can't talk to that person they're not a part of the "community". I've seen this happen. These are the people that us normal people call the creepy community people.

When you come from no experience, any and all information (including the bad) becomes real. That's why I believe people should experience life a little first. See what works see what doesn't. See what creeps people out see what attracts them. Then you can apply what you learned from pickup. It's soooo much easier and such a more enriching experience than reading a dozen shitty e-books then telling yourself you'll go out once you know everything. That's how you become not only a keyboard jockey, but just plain weird.

Btw, I have no beef with anybody here, I just am trying to provide the most enriching and less restricting path.

[Nick]

This arguing really isn't helping anybody...

I'd just like to say that I am someone that started with little to no social skills. I basically had one group of friends all through grade school and freshman year. I was all "depressed" and sat around thinking how terrible life was. Then I met someone else just like me. We'd sit around for hours talking about "serious" stuff like relationships, people, gossip. It was disgusting. ha

Once upon a time I decided to change it because I didn't like sitting at a table of 4 people at lunch every day. I felt like an outcast(I probably was). From my deducting(?) I pretty much now realize I used to be that creepy wierd kid. Once I found PUA, I first thought it was ALL about getting women. I didn't know the first thing about women...

I didn't go randomly picking up. I tried at first and it sucked. What did happen though was that I found friends. I moved "up the ladder". I have good friends now and one of them is semi-natural. I still hang out with my old friends from time to time. It's all good.

Anyways, to sum it up. I really enjoy life better now even though I came in with NO social skills. PUA won't fuck anyone up. Ebooks don't help. I've read a couple and didn't learn anything. I don't see this as a "brotherhood".

PUA is like a life starter-kit. Not a religion.

[perceverance]

PUA is whatever you want it to be. you can make it a life starter-kit or you can make it a set of rules by which you live. Everybody's different and everyone has different needs. Just my opinion anyways.