Happiness and being conscious

[gentleguy]

I intended to make a thread about this, but I just saw a create a poll option, so yea sure let's make it a poll at the same time. I'm gonna be talking about some deep personality stuff here.

Do you think you can always maintain a state of happiness in your everyday life? I know that we all have some negative emotions and thoughts, and that some of them can be redirected into their positive counterparts. But there's always this moment when all the bad stuff resurfaces and hits you strong like a freight train.

For example, last night I got drunk, first time in my life. It felt like I had gone on autopilot and I barely controlled my behaviour. I constantly changed states between happy and sad, in the end after the hangover I was left with a pretty strong depression and a feeling of guilt. I redirect those bad emotions and feel good for a moment, then it just comes back shortly after. It's like having a goose chase.

It's because of that that I think we should all be above our emotions, good or bad. We should be conscious of them, and accept that they are there, but not identify with them. Most people identify with them, pursuing happiness and trying to avoid bad emotions. Instead of that we should pursue our own seperate goals and not let emotions interfere with them.

For example, I want to fuck a girl. I know, that for me right now, it will require a lot of approaching and rejection, which will lead with itself a whole bunch of emotional reactions in my brain, mostly nervousness and grief. I can't change that . After I achieve that goal, I'll feel a cocktail of good emotions. But the whole motivation and intent for that goal does not come from wanting to achieve that good part, the cocktail of great emotions, to feel good. It's just to experience another part of life, attracting girls. If I identify with the happy emotions, I will inevitably become needy for more good emotions and attached to the outcome.

The point of this whole post is: We can't maintain a constant state of happiness.It's fruitless to try to. Bad stuff will happen, and, screw it, accept it. Life is a rollercoaster after all, full of experiences. Of course, when you're happy, you want to share it with other people. Life is a happy thing to experience after all, but just learn to be above it, it's an experience after all

What do you guys think of this realization/brainstorm? I wanna see your opinions.

[happycat]

My simple answer is NO but LOL there's a lot of layers to this answer.

People's emotions tend to spiral and move with momentum.

So if you live a happy lifestyle then you'll spend a lot more time being happy.

But of course you wont always be in a happy state of mind. It's impossible. Emotions are neurological processes that can be stopped, amplified, lessened and completely reversed. (there's a number of ways to manipulate them, too)

It's like how you can turn a girl who hates you 100% into a girl who has one-itis for you or love 100% for you in like 5 minutes.
Or how people switch from happy moods to angry moods in split seconds.

People don't KNOW what "happy" or "sad" IS!! All they know is that they're smiling and there's a warmness spreading throughout their body and a sense of fulfillment or whatever. Then they look at the people around them and see that they are feeling the same (or similar) thing and they call it "happiness". And that's all that happiness is.

So you're in your happy place and then you feel a little bit of it being ripped away. Most people will freak out and ruin everything. Or at least feel afraid or unsettled.

Of course there's ways to keep this happy state. You could try all sorts of stuff like Optimism, NLP, hypnosis, meditation, THE BIBLE etc. etc.

And eventually you can train your mind to always be in that happy state of mind but sometime, somewhere you are going to be ripped from that state of happiness to maybe something like Anger or Sadness.

But if you reached this point of growth then you'll quickly bounce right back.

For me, I usually spend like less than a second sad or angry and then I almost bounce right back. But the sadness and anger that you experience at this stage of mental and spiritual discipline and growth is quite different than the one that you felt before. Sadness and Regret? regret is gone Sadness is fleeting and not as damaging. You don't indulge in REACTIVE anger and channel your anger into more PROACTIVE stuff instead. (Or RIGHTEOUS ANGER, like being angry at injustice and evil and stuff like that)

You'll be sad when you watch SAD MOVIES. duuuuuuuhhhh

Any hypnotist or experienced NLPer can make you feel sad if they WANTED TO and you LET THEM(but they don't and they wont and you wont and you don't)

When you're doing MATH or WORK you can't be in a state of FUCKING ECSTASY.

Okay that's my opinion.


(I got this stuff from a lot of places, I suggest you check them out)

1. Real Social Dynamics

2. Ross Jeffries's school of Speed Seduction

3. NLP and Hypnosis

4. Meditation (I strongly suggest you don't get into the religious side of it and just steal the breathing techniques and stuff)

5. The Bible (LOL I'm Christian so lol a lot of my opinions come from this thing right here)

6. Life experience

7. The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People (Also check out the book for teens)


P.S.: I suggest you quit drinking. Drugs hold you back. I never drink alcohol or drugs or even caffeine.

[DanZy]

Happy Cat, that list is pretty awful:
RSD, is okay. I know a lot of guys have done well through it
Speed seduction is a joke
So is NLP
Meditation is a solid recommendation
The Bible is a religious text that really doesn't have anything to say about such a topic
Life experience? You're 14 dude...
I haven't read that final book so I can't comment.

Drugs do not hold you back. Done right, drugs can be a fascinating means of self-exploration. Mankind has been getting drunk and high for as long as we have existed as a species. All those scare tactics are a load of bullshit. Also, there's little better than going out and having a few pints with your mates.

To the OP, life is never going to be easy the whole way through. Looking at the bigger picture helps a lot.

[twotyme]

Let's enquire. Do you think you are alive to find happiness ? What the brain wants is security first. Someone does something bad to you and you did not deserve it, you feel bad emotions, what does the brain want to do ? It wants to escape, it wants a solution, it wants to isolate itself, to move away, to crawl up.

If we had true freedom of will then happiness could be a constant. But we don't even have will over ourselves; our desires, our attachments, our beliefs, our cultures, thoughts, actions etc. Largely a result of conditioning so where does the search for happiness fit in ? There's a lot to be happy about and there's even more not to be happy about. Meditation is shown to help. Every morning find something to be grateful of/appreciate and every evening find someone to forgive. Everyone is insecure because the brain wants security and certainty in everything and at all costs but life is living, it moves, it changes - I am always betrayed. So the brain will, therefore I will, continue to look but deep down I know I am not looking for happiness. My consciousness is not built with happiness as an end in mind although I may get confused and look for permanence in pussy or money or love or recognition or many other things

[happycat]

DanZy
It's just a Bibliography kind of thing.

Like, cite your sources.

NLP and Speed Seduction both work and are interesting but, of course, they aren't as awesome as a lot of the other technology in the game. However, it does teach you a little bit about psychology and how the brain works. And that's where a lot of Pickup stuff comes from. A lot of Real Social Dynamic's Blueprint stuff uses a little bit of stuff like about how the thought processes in a woman loop and frame control and things of the like.

The Bible is just a place where I get a lot of my opinions.

And life experience? It's my life dude. That's where my beliefs come from. Duuuuhhhh

And drugs stink. End of story. It does more harm than good. And it's an induced state of self-exploration (Or as Tyler Durden likes to say: An Induced High). An induced means of self-exploration is inferior in almost every way to a natural means of self-exploration (A Natural High (This can be achieved through a healthy diet, lifestyle, exercise and the like)).

Sure, you can't feel the same feelings or sensations that you feel on drugs than you do on fruits and vegetables. But fruits and vegetables don't ROT YOUR BRAIN. And those sensations/feelings might feel good but in REALITY what you're feeling is a byproduct of the deterioration of your mind and body (and even spirit).

And looking at the big picture is sorta true. But you gotta live in the moment, too. Keep the future in mind (Look forward to it!). Live in the moment (Really LIVE!). Remember the past for what it is (not what it isn't).

[DanZy]

Aug 4, 2013 20:33:32 GMT -5 happycat said:

DanZy
It's just a Bibliography kind of thing.

Like, cite your sources.

NLP and Speed Seduction both work and are interesting but, of course, they aren't as awesome as a lot of the other technology in the game. However, it does teach you a little bit about psychology and how the brain works. And that's where a lot of Pickup stuff comes from. A lot of Real Social Dynamic's Blueprint stuff uses a little bit of stuff like about how the thought processes in a woman loop and frame control and things of the like.

The Bible is just a place where I get a lot of my opinions.

And life experience? It's my life dude. That's where my beliefs come from. Duuuuhhhh

And drugs stink. End of story. It does more harm than good. And it's an induced state of self-exploration (Or as Tyler Durden likes to say: An Induced High). An induced means of self-exploration is inferior in almost every way to a natural means of self-exploration (A Natural High (This can be achieved through a healthy diet, lifestyle, exercise and the like)).

Sure, you can't feel the same feelings or sensations that you feel on drugs than you do on fruits and vegetables. But fruits and vegetables don't ROT YOUR BRAIN. And those sensations/feelings might feel good but in REALITY what you're feeling is a byproduct of the deterioration of your mind and body (and even spirit).

And looking at the big picture is sorta true. But you gotta live in the moment, too. Keep the future in mind (Look forward to it!). Live in the moment (Really LIVE!). Remember the past for what it is (not what it isn't).

Mate you need to realise that pickup is a load of bullshit and that this site has long moved on from it.
All that NLP and Speed Seduction stuff is ridiculous. Why have to persuade girls to like you? That's just sad.
Dude you're 14, you don't exactly have life experiences. Come back in a few years time before you make that out to be true.
There is no such thing as a "Natural High", the closest you'll get to that is endorphins. You've clearly been brainwashed by the mainstream media portraying drugs as horrific things. If they're such an awful method of self-exploration why have they been used by mankind for thousands of years? They're not self-destructive unless you make them that way. To be honest, you're missing out on a whole lot of incredible stuff.

Live in the moment, sure but you're missing the point. I'm saying that during rough periods, look at what you're working towards; it makes life a whole lot better.

My sources? I read, a fuck ton. I don't exactly have a list though. Mind you, I can claim life experience being nearly 20 years old, having lived in both big and small cities as well as living and working in China for 6 months.


Go out and live, soon you'll see how trivial so many things are and how big a deal we needlessly make of them. Life is fun as long as you wade through all the bullshit and find the things that matter

[Sloth]

Danzy you definitely havent read much if any religious texts, they are full of life lessons and guidance. And that's coming from an atheist who studies theology at college.

to answer the original poll: you can't be happy 100% of the time because then happiness wouldn't exist, it would just be your NORMAL state.

See, there has to be an opposite emotion so that we can define happiness as good and the other one as bad.



However Mr cat you mustn't be so hasty to bad mouth that which you have not experienced.

It's very typical to say drugs stink, it's what we're social conditioned to do, it's on the news, its taught in schools and by our parents. But shit man, have your own opinion. Fair enough if you don't want to do them but don't become the guy who's so agaisnt them that he looks down on others, then you're just showing how socially conditioned you are.
I'm not saying do drugs, i'm saying be more open minded and realise where your opinions might come from. Because at 14 i can guarantee they're not yet coming 100% from you. Which isn't a bad thing, you're young man, don't be hard on yourself and don't think you're superman, you're not. But you will be.

Danzy is giving you a hard time because you're saying you have life experienced at 14.

In the same way an old man would be angry at us for saying we have life experiences at 19/20

So Danzy, try to see that even though he's 14 he'll still argue he has experience - the same way we'd argue we did to that old man

And Kitty cat, I respect that you might think you have these experiences, but what danzy is saying is that you have so much ahead of you that WE HAVE been through, and that you don't know yet. So for a lot of things you're experience is much less reliable than ours - but thats only temporary. You could surpass us.

[derekk]

I think you should all watch this video.

[DanZy]

Strangely enough I've read tons of the bible, though I pretty much just read through all the funny and horrific shit in the old testament to pass the time while sitting in chapel at school. I just find all the nice stuff totally overshadowed by the awful stuff.

Nice post sloth