Too many gurus to choose from!

[Lego]

Aight yo sap laezy here i've been lurking this forum for a while now, i rarely post but now i got a question.

I just have to ask, which guru/book do u recommend?

I'm hearing so much different shit, like the game isnt as good as its supposed, and mystery method is just overhyped and so on. So i thought i'd ask you guys.

I finally decided to take this pua stuff seriously, i have read "real world seduction" by swinggcat but thats all.
I need something to work on my inner game and confidence.

Now where do i go from here?

What books/material/guru has inspired and helped you the most?

[Alek]

Well to really develop inner game, you have to get success and find things that you can really pride yourself on. As far as gurus go, learn from a lot, and pick and choose what you like. I learned from: mehow, mystery, swinggcat, david d. Maybe some other guys, I dont remember.

But develope a lot of your stuff infield too, nothing is a better teacher then experience (but you should have a blue print to help you ;p)

[fate]

Well of course if you haven't read it yet The Game by Neil Strauss, and The rules of the Game, but otherwise i would try reading Magic Bullets by Savoy, if i wanted to teach some one about the game in one day i would get them to read that, well that's my opinion. Remember other things work for different people, but i would as well try reading Mystery Method, if helped me a lot on my game.

Cheers
-Fate Adams

[ken]

I read as much as I can try to get an idea of how things work and then come up with what works for me and put my own spin on it.

[manslaughter]

just reading this forum alot l think this forum really put all that info into perspective and help me not only develop as a pua but also as a person

[zeo]

Take a page from Bruce Lee (or even any MMA fighter): don't choose a guru. Study all types of game, from Ross Jeffries NLP to the Mystery Method to the naturals at your school. Learn as much as you can because no one style works better than the rest. Each has its own unique pros and each has its cons. Assimilate the pros that work for you into your own style and create something unique. Don't be a mindless slave to just Mehow, or Style, etc. But take the best of each and combine them for some solid game.

But, if you want to know a few really exceptional PUA's to start off your journey of study, I suggest reading up on the following:

Ross Jeffries - NLP: the man singlehandedly created the pick up community back in the late 80's early 90's. His NLP method is very effective but requires a lot of memorization of patterns (not scripts or routines but rather ways to approach and seduce girls). Its very, very effective. Cons: For newbies, its hard to make this seem natural when using it and can come off as rehearsed for first timers.

Mystery - MM Method: This guy is by far the greatest PUA ever. He got Pick up mainstream. Most of the techniques, strategys and routines out there come from him or students of him. This stuff is solid for any type of game, night or day, and is really the back bone of naturals, who use it too, just subconsciously and without all the lingo. Cons: Make the routines your own and don't use anything (word for word that is) from the Pick Up artist show. You'll get blown out really quick when caught using the "Did you see the fight outside" opener, etc. Also, steer clear of magic. It works for him because he is a magician. Use techniques that are congruent with your personality.

Style - The Game, Rules of the Game: First person to write about being a PUA to a mainstream audience. Read his books to get a sense of PUA history and for great tips on game. Nothing even has to be said about this guy, he's a legend. Cons: he's only recently come out with a "method" but really its the same as the other stuff out there, just with his name on it. His articles from back in the day are gold though and should be considered as such.

Mehow- Mehow.tv: This guy is good. Real good. He's the first to put out videos in a really well produced and real way so that you can see the techniques being implemented. They are a little pricey, but well worth it. Cons: he's a little "effeminate" and his style of banter may not work well if you aren't naturally a little, for lack of a better word, girly. However, his microloop theory is ground breaking.

Just go out and experiment with a lot of stuff. If a swingercat theory works use it. If David Deangelo's book gets you inspired great. Just use what works for you, regardless of its creator.

[SamethP]

educate yourself on everyone and combine them to create a hybrid transformer-bot: PUA-ATRON!

[Grape]

Oct 18, 2009 18:31:29 GMT -5 zeo said:

Take a page from Bruce Lee (or even any MMA fighter): don't choose a guru. Study all types of game, from Ross Jeffries NLP to the Mystery Method to the naturals at your school. Learn as much as you can because no one style works better than the rest. Each has its own unique pros and each has its cons. Assimilate the pros that work for you into your own style and create something unique. Don't be a mindless slave to just Mehow, or Style, etc. But take the best of each and combine them for some solid game.

But, if you want to know a few really exceptional PUA's to start off your journey of study, I suggest reading up on the following:

Ross Jeffries - NLP: the man singlehandedly created the pick up community back in the late 80's early 90's. His NLP method is very effective but requires a lot of memorization of patterns (not scripts or routines but rather ways to approach and seduce girls). Its very, very effective. Cons: For newbies, its hard to make this seem natural when using it and can come off as rehearsed for first timers.

Mystery - MM Method: This guy is by far the greatest PUA ever. He got Pick up mainstream. Most of the techniques, strategys and routines out there come from him or students of him. This stuff is solid for any type of game, night or day, and is really the back bone of naturals, who use it too, just subconsciously and without all the lingo. Cons: Make the routines your own and don't use anything (word for word that is) from the Pick Up artist show. You'll get blown out really quick when caught using the "Did you see the fight outside" opener, etc. Also, steer clear of magic. It works for him because he is a magician. Use techniques that are congruent with your personality.

Style - The Game, Rules of the Game: First person to write about being a PUA to a mainstream audience. Read his books to get a sense of PUA history and for great tips on game. Nothing even has to be said about this guy, he's a legend. Cons: he's only recently come out with a "method" but really its the same as the other stuff out there, just with his name on it. His articles from back in the day are gold though and should be considered as such.

Mehow- Mehow.tv: This guy is good. Real good. He's the first to put out videos in a really well produced and real way so that you can see the techniques being implemented. They are a little pricey, but well worth it. Cons: he's a little "effeminate" and his style of banter may not work well if you aren't naturally a little, for lack of a better word, girly. However, his microloop theory is ground breaking.

Just go out and experiment with a lot of stuff. If a swingercat theory works use it. If David Deangelo's book gets you inspired great. Just use what works for you, regardless of its creator.

These are too exposed and old. I recommend you ignore all the guru books. IGNORE. they are all poisonous things that will kill your development of leading a 'normal' life, as in not completely pua obsessed and awkward.

i'd say look into role models like comedians and actors like dane cook, brad pitt, clooney,

but if you REALLY want to.... T. Durden and AFC Adam.

Yep.

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[zeo]

I have to disagree Grape. The fundamentals of every well known PUA can be traced back to the first 3 guys I have mentioned. OBVIOUSLY don't use their lines word for word, but the theories, ie cat string, NLP for Pick up, and Style's evolution phase shift can and should be used today. I'm not saying to use their routines and openers word for word, but their ideas they present could be used in the stone age, the 60's, the 90's, now, the future, whenever. The game is still the same, with only slight differences. But as long as social dominance is a key factor in the mating game, these guys knew what works, and it still does now.

[nutrick]

Oct 19, 2009 17:31:43 GMT -5 zeo said:

I have to disagree Grape. The fundamentals of every well known PUA can be traced back to the first 3 guys I have mentioned. OBVIOUSLY don't use their lines word for word, but the theories, ie cat string, NLP for Pick up, and Style's evolution phase shift can and should be used today. I'm not saying to use their routines and openers word for word, but their ideas they present could be used in the stone age, the 60's, the 90's, now, the future, whenever. The game is still the same, with only slight differences. But as long as social dominance is a key factor in the mating game, these guys knew what works, and it still does now.

old ways are too muddled with the "old" basics for kids in high school to understand the bigger meaning behind the lines and the tactics. the game used to be about strategy, now it's about self development. but of course, to each his own my friend.

[Grape]

Zeo, NLP is really really really really really not cool and all these 'fundamentals' you talk about are all about manipulation and in sense using 'mind control' to have chicks fuck you.

That's immoral IMO and as the head honcho of the forum I'm going to have to discourage such 'methods'.

Of course, I've also used M3 and NLP and all the likes in the past.
But now I've grown, and so has all the other PUAs who have gained experience in the community.

Take a look at our mods and staff. All of us started out using the plain M3, swinggcat, david d stuff and now we look down at that.
We just hope we can let the new generations be able to skip that phase and directly enter into the world the staff is living in now.

I know, I'm being one-sided and opinionated.
Sorry.

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[zeo]

Mind manipulation? Really? If you consider Mystery, Style, and all the "old" gurus as being mind manipulators (save Ross Jeffries, who I agree is, but many of his philosophies, like setting a dominant frame, is not mind manipulation) then dating as whole, no all human interaction is mind manipulation. Mystery never used some mystical force to get 1000 bjs. No, he, through trial and error, created a system that worked and is the basis for all peoples game, whether they no it or not. Take social proofing. If you walking into a party smiling with a group of friends, approach a group of girls immediately, and are able to use these factors to get the attention of a girl you like, your telling me that is mind manipulation? No its using your surrounding and your words to your advantage. I don't want to bash anyone because I am new to the board and am not up to speed on everyones opinions, but having this narrow view of what these theories, which are not THAT old, only a few years, its very scary. I'm not saying the old guys are gods, but what they created, theory wise, is very, very effective and should be studied. You can say, "oh use natural game, use what you know", but what about kids who don't know anything?

WE all know that word for word recitation of their lines is a bad idea, will get you called out, and is incongruent to their personality. But cat string theory, social proofing, microloop theory, these things were around before Mystery and Style or who ever gave them names. People in the 50's used these to pick up girls, its just PUA's defined it and named it, and maybe added ways to improve it. We shouldn't look down at the old guys, without them, this community would never have existed. And if your problem is lying or mind manipulation, that is just a misconception and a lie in itself. Trying to exude your best characteristics through a DHV routine or spark interest through takeaways or negs, thats just flirting with specific names attached to each type.

I really hope that this narrow minded view of the past can be reversed so that all can learn lessons from past, present, and future PUAs.

[wespeezy]

SINNNNN

[nutrick]

like i said, we're high school kids, other than english class, we aren't good at critical thinking. the majority look at things from a surface level and never seek to understand the deeper meaning. hence why we should make it as BLATANT as possible as to what exactly one should do to become a better man/person. people do make mistakes by going on the wrong place, but that's what we're here for, we've taken the path and we already know where you'll be wasting your time and where you should be spending more of your time.

i still stand by the fact that it's WAY TOO MUDDLED FOR NEW PEOPLE TO GET THE DEEPER UNDERSTANDING. sure there are little tid bits here and there, but AS A COLLECTIVE WHOLE, it hurts more than helps. feel free to prove me wrong, i'm open to debate/criticisms/flaming

Patrick

[zeo]

Well thank you, nutrick, for giving a good explanation rather than "this is mind manipulation" and other misconceptions. Although I disagree with you philosophically with your point of view, I respect it and understand where its coming from. But again, I still believe that these guys, especially Mystery, still have great theories and ideas that guys of any age can use.