Pick Up as a Career?

[nutrick]

I've been doing a lot of soul searching again lately, finding something that I would love to do for the rest of my life, and pick up came into question. I'm curious to see if anyone else can see themselves as a professional pick up artist, meaning, they teach guys how to get girls for a living, as their means of income.



Ciao,
Patrick

[Grape]

it'd work, just i'd actually take classes in college on public speaking, social psychology and earn some credentials.

[nutrick]

well yeah, but logistics aside, i'm just wondering if anyone else was considering something like this.

[Alek]

lol fuck that grape, u dont need to spend tons of money to go to college to learn that kinda stuff, then be in debt

[Grape]

alek, that degree and proper education would make the difference from you and the other thousands of men who dream to take a career in PUA.

[Alek]

nope. skill would. You wouldn't pay to learn from a pua instructor because he has a degree in public speaking and psychology, you'd go to him because he is a great pick up artist, he mastered his art.

Same thing goes for if your hiring someone to be a dating coach....it wouldn't matter on what he did in college, its how good of a pick up artist he is.

This isn't a profession like medicine, or anything that requires a degree. You do not need a degree, or any education, just skill.

[Sloth]

True, hed have to be good at pick up, but those degrees would help you not only become much better at pickup, but it would also allow you ro clearly teach people the art of PUA.

Therefore what you do at college actually would matter alot.

True you dont need a degree, but it obviously helps.

[samiam]

Nah, I agree with grape, skill is great, but it means nothing if you can't pass it alone. If I'm looking for someone to teach me how to be good with girls I don't care if he's partying at the playboy mansion and having threesomes with supermodels all the time, I care if he can teach me how to do that. If you're not able to effectively teach then it doesn't really matter how good you are.

[nutrick]

alright, still didn't answer my question. all logistics aside, any of you guys considered this a career choice?

[Alek]

Well obviously you need to be able to teach...but college doesn't determine that lol. Sure, you'll definitely learn good stuff, but the question is whether it is worth the money? And really, college isn't going to teach you barely anything to get you better a pick up.

I know that in a lot of different jobs (like hair dressing) you learn more out side of school, then you do in school. In school you learn the basics. And a great way to learn is from people who are already the best at what they do, and from other sources.

And then again, the question is it worth the money? And is it going to help me in pick up. Because really, it isn't. As long as you are a GREAT pick up artist, and you can teach those skills to other people efficiently and completely, and you have a reason for people to pay you - either because you teach stuff no one else teaches, you teach it better, or you have something no one else does...basically anything that gives you an edge over the competition - then you have a chance at making it. But first...you need to get your name out there, thats most important. Then you need to have a reason for people to come to you. And it helps if you have connections.

I think there is a huge mentality in this country for college. Tons of people go to college, not knowing what they want to do. Then it comes time to major, and they still don't know what they want. So they'll major in anything that sounds cool (and on average the avg. person changes their major 4 times - so whats that tell ya?) and then if they follow through with it, they'll land a job which most likely they'll hate. Why? Because they never found a passion for something that they want to pursue and would absolutely love to do for a living, for the rest of their lives. And instead they just follow the routine like everyone else; go to college.

I am not condemning college, but im saying that its a waste of money if you don't need it, or don't exactly know what you want to be (find out first, and if it requires college then do it).

[Grape]

soo.... people paying tax to send their kids to school must be a joke right?

There are soo many people who are great at what they do, but they can't explain their ideas for shit.
Teaching is an art within itself, and just because you have knowledge doesn't mean you have the ability to spread it on to others quickly.

I agree that many people goto college not knowing for sure what they want to do, but not everyone hates their jobs, unless they work for a corporation. xD just kidding.

Anyhow, if you want to pursue teaching PUA as a career, speaking at national seminars, marketing yourself, and selling products, I strongly strongly suggest you take the necessary classes from college to earn yourself some nice credentials along with the formal knowledge you'll need to get your PUA business going.

No bank will loan you their money nor invest in you because you're "Really good at pick up."

They want credentials.

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and.. i have thought about PUA as a career when I first saw the gurus and read their books.
But now I feel like I have stronger passions calling.

[Alek]

Actually, I do think that the public school system is pretty fucked up (not private), and needs reform.. Why? Because it is government funded. The government regulates the schools. Thus teaching you WHAT to think, not HOW to think. A large part of this is due to the no child left behind act. So basically, public schools are failing for a lot of reasons, sure they'll teach you basic knowledge of subjects...but they will not touch on your creativity, which is more important. They are teaching kids what to think, putting them all at the same level of knowledge, there is no individuality taught. But thats a whole different topic all together.

Now back onto the other stuff. School isn't going to teach you how to teach, but practicing teaching will.

You dont need college courses though, to make teaching pua a job. Sure, public speaking classes can help you with public speaking, but so can running your own free seminars...thats free on your part (unless your paying for the place) and if you keep doing it, your going to improve your public speaking skills...with out spending money on college. IF you keep teaching your material, your going to improve at teaching. In order to excel in an art, you must practice it. "Experience is the best teacher". You dont need to waste your money on college, to be good at selling yourself in the pick up market. And your credentials won't mean shit, its all about how you present yourself, and credentials do not matter in this field (but in other fields you need a college degree, not this one), but knowing how to present yourself and doing it, does. Not credentials.

I didn't say everyone hates their jobs, but a lot do. Those who find what they really want, don't hate it. And some others might not too, but a lot do.

And I dont believe banks loan you money because of credentials, Im not sure how that works but I dont think degree's have much to do with it, just credit and money. I might be wrong though.

[$wagg]

I'm with Alek. College does not equal competence. You can spend tons of money in medicine school, but still not be worthy of the position of general doctor. I think American culture is fucked up, in the sense that it's one giant bystander effect. Too little people question why things are. Although they might not admit to it, most people do things because everyone else is doing it. Thus, creativity slowly dies, and people become more and more average..

Anyways, I briefly thought about a career but quickly discarded that idea. First of all, the competition is just too fucking numerous. How many gurus can you name of the top of your head? Now add 50 to that number since there's basically a new one every single day, each basically offering the same thing the other thousands before him have, but just presenting it in a "different" way. Unless you are bringing something completely new to the table, which chances are of being are slim to none, there's no real SOLID way of distinguishing oneself from the other competitors. The demonstration of you picking up girls and telling people you have "the answer to all their questions", things that everyone else uses, are all you really have.

And yeahh not having a degree means absolutely shit in the loaning process. Credit score and history, payment history is mostly what people care about. You can have an engineer degree and still be a fucking idiot when it comes to handling money..

[Grape]

just out of curiosity... what's your GPA? lol

It's clear this argument won't come to a total agreement because everyone has their own views on things. However it's nice that people who are interested can see the reasoning of both sides.

[Andrew]

Hey pat. Two of my dream jobs are being a dating coach and writing for MensHealth. I dont want to say "professional pickup artist" because thats not really how i want to see it for me.

I've actually put myself out there and contacted established dating coaches to see what the best course of action would be for me to take