Current situation

[perceverance]

Ok guys, I need a little advice, this forum is like counseling for me.

Here's my situation: I'm good at socializing, I can AMOG, I can appear attractive to girls, and I'm confident enough to do stupid shit and not care.

Here's my problem: I have no friends(i do have friends and know most of the school but I've never done anything after school. I havnt gone to any parties, I havnt done anything with a girl. Etc.. Essentially, I'm a loser. I don't like to think that I am, but based on the fact that I havnt done anything with a girl and I have no friends to hang out with after school, it really seems like I am a loser.(despite the fact that I know most of the school and can socialize with everyone)

That's one of my problems, here's another one: girls give me a fucking shitload of IOI's and when I try to start a conversation or get near them, they completely ignore me or give me IOD's. It pisses me off because I think I got her on lockdown but then she completely rejects my attempts to talk. When I say IOI's, we are talking like flipping her hair around, jumping into my conversations that I'm having with my friends, looking at me ALOT, and trying to get in my proximity. And then, based off of the big IOI's I get, I try to escalate only to be rejected. I go through this more or less on a daily basis.

Girls dig me, they like my appearance, I look attractive to them, they want to talk to me. But once I try to talk to them, they just don't want to. It even seems like some of them try to make me jealous by flirting with other guys close to me.

I just need some advice from you guys because I'm going into fucking depression by not hanging out with anyone and constantly getting shut down despite me using my intuition to analyze what the girls are thinking. Also if this helps you guys analyze my situation: sometimes I play hard to get and it works to lure the girls in sometimes but other times, it seems like the girl gets over me and moves on(doesn't give me any more IOI's).

That's my situation

[canadiankid]

Dude for socializing just ask to come along, unless someone has a big issue with you it's no big deal. Dont forget to number close guys either. This one guy asked me and my friends yesterday and now he's coming to a party with us tonight. (3 day weekend FTW)

[perceverance]

Yeah man, the thing is, I want to hook up with a girl in the "popular" group in order to then transfer myself over into their group. Then I can chill with them because right now, my friends aren't the coolest in the school if you know what I mean.

Any idea why these girls drive me crazy by being attracted to me and giving me huge IOI's only to completely ignore me when I try to escalate or start a conversation?

[perceverance]

BUMP

[canadiankid]

Hmm heres a quick answer. Just because you hook up with a girl in there group doesn't mean your one of them. Also once the guys like and accept you it's 10x easier to get the girls from there group. As for the IOIs/IODs an shit I have no clue... Its tough if your not their in person

[perceverance]

every single guy who has hooked up with one of the girls in their group is now in their group man, its like they see that your a player like them and they want you in their group rather than against them.

and i agree, once girls see that you are friends with the guys in their social group, they are waaay easier to hook up with.

[freshi3]

If you play hard to get then make a 180degree turn and are going after her she will probably be turned off just as quickly = IODs

am i getting warm?

[canadiankid]

Seriously bro just ask the guys if you could go to a party if there talking about it around you. As long as your not a greaser or needy they won't say no. Then run normal game at the party and fuck the chick there

[amarok]

I agree with Canadiankid. As for getting friends, friendzone some of the attractive girls that you could care to lose. Start chilling with them as friends, and really WANT to be their friend. Then start meeting the guys that they're friends with. They'll also help direct you through the inner workings of the popular group; who's actually in the group, who's "that guy" that tags along but isn't really liked too much, ect.

[kolby2011]

Def agree with amarok, its worth the sacrifice of friend zoning a few hb's to get to the others, speaking from experience I have followed a similar path like yours, get to know and HANG out with guys from that group OUTSIDE of SCHOOL, and if your good at AMOGing than do it, I started doing it in classes at school were I only knew a few people after a week every one knew me (but you have to start with the teacher, if your good with the teacher she will let u get away with a lot of shit.

[perceverance]

yeah i've noticed that AMOG'ing really lets the guys in the 'popular' group know that you arn't just some kid trying to get into their group but rather that you know how their system works and that you CAN hook up with most of the girls in their group, you just need the social proof. I made a few friends in the popular group that way but i dont really hang out with them in school either, its just a few classes with them. how do you think i can migrate into their group to eat with them at lunch or something. it would definately be very awkward to just walk in their and sit down with them when i only know like 2 or 3 guys in their group.

[kolby2011]

From my experience popularity is a ladder that one must climb. Which means you start from the bottom. I started with the ones I had most in common with. You can't look at a group as a whole. Start with one person, help them with homework or find out your common interest whatever, just get your foot in the door. Next start talking to them outside of class, easiest transition is in the hallway, start a convo in class, keep it going throughout the hallway, get to the point were its like "yah bro I'll catch you later" toward the end of the convo. Get his number when you get to this part in your relationship. You don't have to txt him (because honestly we are just using him for social proof within the social circle)Next catch him in the hallway before lunch or in the lunch line, it really doesn't matter as long as he isn't setting down yet, start another convo and continue it till you get to the table...BAM your at their lunch table, sit down, and he is your social proof, it only takes 1 person to do that. Do this over the course of a week or 2 to get the know the guy so it isn't awkward. After a few weeks you'll be apart of the "lunch group" from their its really as easy as pie. You'll befriend the others and than your in. The main objective is to get roots within the group to build yourself up the social ladder.

[perceverance]

hmm i see what you mean. i think i'll try that lol. what about the chicks? any idea why they give me huge IOI's and then play hard to get and ignore me? could it be that i seem really attractive and my personality is a turn off?

[canadiankid]

Dont use people. Its easy to spot and you will get rejected for that, no one likes someone that uses people. Use similar steps as outlined above but genuinely like/ want to hang out with the person. Fakes are easy to spot and I reject them a lot from my social group.

[kolby2011]

True canadian kid, the person that I really befriended first, is one of my best friends till this day, but also if you truely want this lifestyle change you'll begin to like most people within this circle, but don't be really pushy at the start(ex: After the 1st day of talking to him..."So were is the party at this weekend.") People have done the exact same thing to me, and I instantly blow them off.