Social Life

[perceverance]

once again the reason for this post is my unhappiness with my social life. ill explain this in a simple way: i hang out with some losers who constantly amog and cockblock each other(they supply no social proof whatsoever), i constantly try to socialize with the 'popular' kids and try to get into their group but i dont know why the fuck they avoid me. im a positive guy around people and try to sustain a positive vibe but for some reason the people who have alot of social proof avoid me.

as if having a social group full of losers werent enough, these guys hang out and i dont get invited. its like even they think they are too cool for me or something. i know a couple of guys who use to be in my position and they managed to get into the 'popular' group but i dont know how the fuck they did it, to me it just seems like they socialized with the 'popular' kids and they got into the group.

dont get me wrong, i have pretty good game both outer and inner, its just that this social proof issue is fucking me over. if i could manage to get a hot, 'popular', girl 1 on 1, i would have her on my dick for sure but they dont come near me because i have 0 social proof.

how do i get a better social group of friends, specifically these 'popular' kids who just dont want me in the group(even though they dont say it, it shows in their attitude.) might i also add that the kids who managed to get into the popular group are skilled because in one of my classes, there is one of the kids that got into the group and he cracks stupid ass jokes and gets everybody laughing even if the joke isnt funny. when i say a genuinly funny joke however, not as many people laugh. hes the center of attention and i know for a fact that hes read pickup shit because he didnt use to be like this.

i know i sound like a selfish asshole who only thinks about himself but im sick of this social life. ive posted about this before and i have yet to see improvement.

how do you get people to like you? because i apparently dont have the hang of this skill yet. what books do you guys recommend to fix my problem? im asking for as much help as i can get, im willing to do anything, help me out please guys. this is one of the only and biggest defects in my game.

[spe3d]

I understand your problem man. I have a friend and he is a humongous cockblock! I'll call him Beggar. He has the most AFC/stubborn attitude. He WITNESSES girls all over me, but won't ever take my advice because of his ego. He would sell me out just to get some pussy. I'm friends with a lot of people who know him. This one fat chick asked me if Beggar was my friend and I was like yea. She was like "oh he tries to get with like every girl" and I'm like "I know". Then this popular kid that I'm cool with came up to me and was like "dude is beggar your friend?" Hesitantly, I was like "yeah why?" He then said something that made me regret ever being friends with Beggar, but I'm not that shallow. He was like "Why do you hang out with Beggar? That kid is so weird".So me hanging out with this kid cockblocks me. I noticed that the kids in the 'popular groups' in high school are popular because they play sports. Sports is always what unites them. You can get a lot of social proof from talking to the hottest girls in your classes. You don't have to game them, just be nice. That's how I actually got introduced to some popular kids and ended up hanging out with them. This hot chick just invited me to chill with them.

[Contempt]

^ so why the fuck do you hang with beggar then?

[perceverance]

i play sports and it does help me a bit to the point where me and the popular kids are kind of friends but then after a while they start ignoring me again.

[canadiankid]

I'm not saying you are but I'm wondering if your trying to hard? I'm gonna be honest here, try hards are my biggest pet peeve and I pretty much stop them from getting anywhere up the social food chain. Like I AMOG them all the time in class without them knowing.

[perceverance]

hmm not really, i try to invite people into my reality rather than going into theirs but they completely shut me out.

[Nick]

perceverance, CanadianKid won't say it but I will. You're definitely trying too hard. I have a friend exactly like you in the same position. All he wants is to be popular. He mooches off the social value and talks to them a lot... but they never invite him anywhere. Why do you even want in this group? For the social value? Make your own god damn group. This kids sound like straight up assholes. Fuck them.

spe3d, stand up for your friends, man. If some guy says he's weird don't just agree with him because he's "popular". You gotta treat guys pretty much like girls. Just because they're popular doesn't mean you gotta bend over backwards to please them. He's your friend. Own up to it.

"Why do you hang out with Beggar? That kid is so weird." ... All you gotta say is, "Nah man he's pretty cool when you get to know him." That's it. Say the fucking truth. Don't just sit there embarrassed about being his friend.

[Eastcoast]

I find the best way to befriend the amogs is letting them know your not a bitch. So the way you do this is like chirp them and dont back down. Now im not talking being a fucking dick to them and taking it too far. And you dont even have to win the "battle" if you will.

I would handle one with someone who I have decent comfort with by like calling them names and making fun of them all in good fun. It just shows them that your also a bigdog and wont take shit. So i would be like hey fag whats up when i see him. Or if hes playing a sport and he fucks up ill throw a little jab comment. Or even just a your mom joke.

Most amogs are usually pretty good at shit-talking cause its what they do so most of the time youll probably get owned by a good comeback. But if you take it with a smile or " welll played sir" its no big deal.
The key to this is not crossing the line but having fun at the same time.

This is what pushed me over the top in regards to them accepting me. It might work for you its worth a shot.

[perceverance]

bolt i see what your trying to teach me and everybody says that but the problem is that if i want to get to know the chicks worth dating more, i need to get social proof. its a proven fact that social proof is super important in high school. i know a dude that is in that group and we kinda hang out. everytime we are chilling at school, i get to know hot chicks and they naturally gravitate towards us. when im by myself however, all that gravitates towards me is a bunch of fugly chicks that i dont even want to talk to.

[perceverance]

May 3, 2011 22:32:32 GMT -5 Eastcoast said:

I find the best way to befriend the amogs is letting them know your not a bitch. So the way you do this is like chirp them and dont back down. Now im not talking being a fucking dick to them and taking it too far. And you dont even have to win the "battle" if you will.

I would handle one with someone who I have decent comfort with by like calling them names and making fun of them all in good fun. It just shows them that your also a bigdog and wont take shit. So i would be like hey fag whats up when i see him. Or if hes playing a sport and he fucks up ill throw a little jab comment. Or even just a your mom joke.

Most amogs are usually pretty good at shit-talking cause its what they do so most of the time youll probably get owned by a good comeback. But if you take it with a smile or " welll played sir" its no big deal.
The key to this is not crossing the line but having fun at the same time.

This is what pushed me over the top in regards to them accepting me. It might work for you its worth a shot.

its funny because i have tried that and it did work to a point but after some time, these guys just stopped talking to me or completely ignored me when i said something like that to them.

[canadiankid]

You took it to far and try harded. That's EXACTLY what we do to that kind of behavior.

[Adam]

Dude your problem is your mindset I'm sorry but if you cant attract the girls you want by yourself even with social proof it will be hard. These guys are not your 'key' that when you get in their group girls will magically hop on your dick. Maybe you should try relying on your own charisma. If you are a fun guy and strong in your reality no girl will be able to resist no matter how little your social proof

[perceverance]

^ dude i swear i only want to get in their group to get access to the chicks. i can attract chicks from other schools easily 1 on 1 because the rules of social proof dont apply in situations like that but in my school, social proof is a huuuuge factor.

[Contempt]

Social proof is definitely it. You have that right.

I climbed the social ladder to being popular in the first semester of 9th grade when i was new to my school. I can't tell you exactly how I did it because I'm naturally a very social person, but I can give you a few pointers.

There is something that no one has mentioned so far. No one hangs out with people and lets them into their social circle without contributing somehow. Would you want to hang out with a guy who does everything every other guy does but nothing beyond that? Theres nothing special about him. When people decide to hang out with someone its not because there normal and do everything everyone else does, its because of the things that make them unique. In other words, its what they contribute to the group. This is very obvious seeming if you think about it. What makes them want you to hang out with them?

Also, don't take shit from them and don't be their bitch.

-Contempt

[canadiankid]

^yes